Playing Games at Gitmo

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Originally Posted by backpasture

I think Obama has made his intentions quite clear, even though he may have some supporters and/or advisors who don't agree with that approach.

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I'm guessing you wouldn't want to place a wager on whether Gitmo is still open for business one year after Obama is sworn in, would you? I'll cover you on that one.

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Originally Posted by backpasture

I guess it's not surprising that if you can be made to believe this kind of crap, that you can also be easily convinced that some parts of the Consitiution can be thrown out at whim.

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I don't think the Constitution applies to terrorist

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Originally Posted by Hew

I'm guessing you wouldn't want to place a wager on whether Gitmo is still open for business one year after Obama is sworn in, would you? I'll cover you on that one.

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I think it could take more than a year, but I would make a bet on 2 years.

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Originally Posted by Hew

That's patently false.

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Support your claim. I'll listen.

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Originally Posted by Hoosier

I don't think the Constitution applies to terrorist

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that's your problem. there is a protocol of trial for a reason.

i agree 100% with BP that accusation does not make one guilty. let's just imagine for a second that the obama camp accused and arrested this malkin of high crimes and shipped her to gitmo or bob or hoosier or whomever. would you guys not make a thread here about how unjust and unconstitutional it is to ignore one's rights to trial etc?

closet muslim regards
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Oh, your quite tricky with that bold type. You must be really smart. It seems to me that the approach President Bush has used has been pretty effective.
I don't think. Ha Ha Ha where do come up with such great material. Your a regular Don Rickles

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Originally Posted by Hoosier

I don't think the Constitution applies to terrorist

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Fortunately for us all, the SCOTUS has decided, repeatedly, much differently.

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Originally Posted by backpasture

So, everyone sent to Gitmo is guilty? Why have we released over 3 dozen of the captives then? As a law enforcement officer, do you believe that someone can be falsely accused and jailed, or do you believe that an arrest is always evidence that someone is guilty?

I am confident that most of the people there are indeed guilty and deserve execution. But, our Consitution outlines a right to a trial where evidence can be presented before a sentence can be carried out.



For the record, the German agents involved in Operation Pastorius did indeed get a hearing where they were found guilty. It wasn't a 'jury of their peers', but it was more than what the Gitmo detainees have received.

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That is true some have been released, only to be recovered later with a .223 caliber hole in them from the battlefield.

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Originally Posted by Hew

That's patently false.

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Very unlike you to make a broad statement like that and not back it with something, John. What is behind your thought process?

Inquiring Regards,

Joe S.

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Originally Posted by Hoosier

I don't think the Constitution applies to terrorist

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Personally I've always felt that we should reserve Constitutional rights to those that deserve them -- good law abiding Christians, and preferably Republicans. Furthermore, it's a waste of tax payer money to have trials for people we know are guilty. Let's save those niceties for the innocent.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Due process was pretty important to our country's founders and it should be pretty important to each of us. Those who believe that only guilty people are ever charged with a crime know little about our system of justice.

When I was 13 a guy in my school, as a prank, said that he had seen two other boys and me rape a girl outside of a school dance. The fact was that he had seen nothing and there was nothing to see except for four 13 year olds talking. The school sorted out the facts very quickly. However, the two other boys and I had already been eaten up by others at the dance and six years later classmates of mine still assumed that the rape had happened but that it was "covered up" by the school. In your world I fear I would still be in jail.