1. Why? A gun is a gun. A single shot 22 can kill if you want it to.
Originally Posted by M Remington
2. Again, why? Any bullet can kill if you want it to.
3. I don't care how hard you look, a law abiding citizen will be the only people succumbing to this background check.
We have enough laws on the books now to prevent gun violence. In fact, you may not know this, but murder is against the law. So use the existing laws to prosecute criminals, focus on criminals, and target criminals. So far all these laws target law abiding people and do nothing to stop criminals from committing crime.
Wonder how folks would feel if the progun folks renamed "cop killer bullets" murderer and rapist killers!
Originally Posted by M Remington
The definition of the so called 'cop killer bullets' in Lib speak means any round capable of defeating soft body armour. That means, in addition to the specially designed rounds that were made to do just that, almost any center fire rifle round. So those of you who use 30-06 WW 150gr Silvertips for white tailed deer better look for another kind of ammo.
W didn't sign any anti gun legislation, and as a positive thing, he appointed Justices Roberts and alito who were on the majority side of the Heller decision.
First I don't think this is an issue about Liberals or Conservatives as it is a Urban vs. Rural. It is true that most of the politicians that are originating gun control tend to to be somewhat "liberal", most of them are coming from Urban constituencies where the impact of firearm in the communities have a very different reality than in a rural setting. Read the preambles of the current house bill HR45 as an insight in to that mind set.
Politicians tend to reflect the viewpoints of their constituencies first. If he is writing anti- gun legislation, then he perceives that is what his constituents want. If he doesn't, he won't be back after the next election You can pillory the man, but how do you get at those constituents?
I agree the gun is not the problem. It is the idiot behind the gun. We are doing a lot to infect our youth with the picture that violence is the way we solve conflict. Hollywood has canonized St. John Wayne. When was the last time you saw an American film where someone was NOT wasted away with a fire arm? I consider the movie "Pulp Fiction" to be a work of gun pornography.
However, I am as aware as you are that any effort that gets in the way of Hollywood of producing this schlock will get howls about First Amendment rights-- and they will make the political contributions required to fight back.
I can continue on more about Hollywood but I'll let you share your thoughts first.
And those that howl the loudest about the 1st amendment are the first to trash the 2nd amendment....
I grew up watching horse operas, cop shows and WWII shows like Combat on the boob tube. As a kid I used to play army or cops and robbers quite a bit, and in those days we had an arsenal of firearms(toy)to use in rubbing out the bad guys. Even the cartoons were full of fantasy violence(ever watch Elmer Fudd go hunting?). I think my parents spent a small fortune buying me paper caps to keep shooting in various games we played. But the group of kids I hung out with(I was born in 1951) and I knew that this was all make believe, none of my pals ever got arrested for shooting up a bank or anything even remotely serious. My dad began teaching me to shoot a real rifle at 5 and I have hunted all my life. The difference was and is that my parents and most others, made sure we knew the difference between watching Roy Rodgers shoot a crook on TV and the real world.
I still watch John Wayne every time one of his movies is on the tube, and most of Eastwoods as well. Hell I was a cop for 25 yrs and never shot anyone other than the paper man at the range.
Absolutely! Not to mention every household had guns and kids were smart enough to know they shouldn't mess with them unless Dad gave you the OK.
Ya but back then, parents could discipline their children. I knew growing up not to talk back to an adult. I showed respect or I was in big trouble. Today the same mindset that wants to ban guns, also has tied the hands of parents and given all the power to children. Remember the thread where the kid broke into the house and was having sex with the daughter? Where was the focus of all that? Yep, on the dad instead of the little punk...
I did the same thing too when I was a kid, Bob. We had the benefit of good parents the taught us right from wrong and were there to step in when we didn't get the message. But if you had contact with juveniles, and as a cop I am sure you did, there were those kids that just don't sort out the fundamentals, especially those with fetal alcohol syndrome. And if all adults could have figured it out you would have had a different vocation.
Originally Posted by Bob Gutermuth
Most of the violence was clean and mostly neutral. Roy shot the gun out of the hand but did not wantonly and callously blow people away. Nor did he hire a clean up man like Travolta did in Pulp Fiction.
We had a kid and his buddy aged 11 and 10 respectively in our county that waited behind the couch one night and blew mom away with a 12 ga. shotgun and a .22 as she emerged from the garage. The issue: Mom wouldn't give him his allowance money. I don't think they got the idea from a note on the refrigerator.
Ther are many rivers in this mindset. Hollywood is just one.
you can't legislate the stupidity out of people nor can you pass any laws that will give anyone common sense. no matter what laws are passed you can't protect people from themselves! I don't understand why some people think more laws are going to fix the problem of urban violence. chicago has some of the most stringent guns laws in the country and what has it done for them? what additional "common sense" guns laws can they pass that will curtail their gun violence and murder problem? let's see it is already illegal to possess a gun in chicago yet there is still a problem. oh, I know it's indiana's fault. people need to pull their heads out of the sand and get a clue. criminal don't care about "common sense" gun laws!