Iranian Gunboats To Enter Suez Canal

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Originally Posted by paul young

on a separate note, i believe the lifespan of the entire Iranian navy would be measured in hours if a conflict erupted. control of the Suez would not be an issue.

oil futures traders are the only ones to gain from Iran's posturing.-Paul

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You and I agree on that.

I think Israel is primened and ready to resolve these issues in a timely fashion.
They show remarkable restraint.


stan b

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Originally Posted by paul young

every single day, Stan.

my observations lead me to believe that Muslim politicians have to try to convince the world of their bravado incessantly and that they seem to have an extremely hard time telling the truth.-Paul

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That is key to ever being able to understand and deal with that part of the world.

When I was in Riyadh, S.A., I had a very difficult time understanding their culture of interaction. By that I mean they have NO PROBLEM looking you in the eye, smiling, and lying through their teeth. Then, when called, they just as cheerfully admit they were lying, in a non-ashamed way, and carry on like nothing happened. I dealt with this several times in King Fahd hospital with Saudi security guards. Its like lying is nothing to be frowned upon. Its a negotiating tool used freely, and if you don't catch it, shame on YOU.

While I didn't come close to figuring out their culture or customs....I gained a profound appreciation of our LACK of understanding of their culture.

While we deal with many countries with whom we disagree, usually you can at least see their warped logic or reasons for doing things. Ain't so with that part of the world. This thread, case in point.

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Originally Posted by dnf777

That is key to ever being able to understand and deal with that part of the world.

When I was in Riyadh, S.A., I had a very difficult time understanding their culture of interaction. By that I mean they have NO PROBLEM looking you in the eye, smiling, and lying through their teeth. Then, when called, they just as cheerfully admit they were lying, in a non-ashamed way, and carry on like nothing happened. I dealt with this several times in King Fahd hospital with Saudi security guards. Its like lying is nothing to be frowned upon. Its a negotiating tool used freely, and if you don't catch it, shame on YOU.
While I didn't come close to figuring out their culture or customs....I gained a profound appreciation of our LACK of understanding of their culture.

While we deal with many countries with whom we disagree, usually you can at least see their warped logic or reasons for doing things. Ain't so with that part of the world. This thread, case in point.

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Much like American politicians today.:D


Just sayin'......


RK

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Originally Posted by dnf777

Last time I checked, they don't put natural gas on supertankers and market it on international markets. It is much more a local commodity.

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Check again champ ;-)

http://www.vancouversun.com/story_print.html?id=4126367&sponsor

http://omaha.com/article/20110131/MONEY/701319981

It is also shipped overseas from other countries.

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Originally Posted by badbullgator

Check again champ ;-)

http://www.vancouversun.com/story_print.html?id=4126367&sponsor

http://omaha.com/article/20110131/MONEY/701319981

It is also shipped overseas from other countries.

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Interesting. Sounds like its still largely in planning phases, but could go full scale. It just goes to show that energy companies will sell us and our energy independence out the window to make an extra buck. Not surprised there.

The one line that jumped out at me, and I totally agree with is from T. Boone Pickens:

"We are going to go down as the dumbest generation ever if we don't put those reserves to work domestically and use it as a clean, abundant, domestic alternative to OPEC oil."

So what do the energy conglomerates want to do? Sell it overseas!

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Originally Posted by paul young

on a separate note, i believe the lifespan of the entire Iranian navy would be measured in hours if a conflict erupted. control of the Suez would not be an issue.

oil futures traders are the only ones to gain from Iran's posturing.-Paul

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That is something we can all agree with, Paul. When I started reading this thread, I had to chuckle with the oxymoron of "Iranian Gunships". One US drone properly armed could probably handle their entire 'fleet'... not that the Israelis would need any assistance.

It's my guess, however, should the Iranians be so ignorant as to chance this idea, the Israeli military wouldn't stop at knocking out a few 'gunships'. They would implement knocking out the leadership that sent them...THEN all hell will break loose.

UB

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Originally Posted by Uncle Bill

I had to chuckle with the oxymoron of "Iranian Gunships". One US drone properly armed could probably handle their entire 'fleet'... not that the Israelis would need any assistance.

UB

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I can just hear our admiral arguing with the Israeli admiral over who needs "target practice" more......

I would say "fish in a barrel" regards....
But shooting fish would probably be much more difficult.

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Originally Posted by dnf777

Interesting. Sounds like its still largely in planning phases, but could go full scale. It just goes to show that energy companies will sell us and our energy independence out the window to make an extra buck. Not surprised there.

The one line that jumped out at me, and I totally agree with is from T. Boone Pickens:

"We are going to go down as the dumbest generation ever if we don't put those reserves to work domestically and use it as a clean, abundant, domestic alternative to OPEC oil."

So what do the energy conglomerates want to do? Sell it overseas!

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Only in in the planning stages in Alaska.

Liquefied Natural Gas
Qatar is the world’s leading LNG exporter. In 2009, Qatar exported nearly 1,800 Bcf of LNG. Japan, South Korea, and India were the primary destinations for Qatar’s LNG exports, accounting for about 57 percent in 2009. European markets including Belgium, the United Kingdom and Spain were also significant buyers of Qatari LNG, accounting for an additional 33 percent.

Russia is the leader in LNG exports.

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Originally Posted by badbullgator

Only in in the planning stages in Alaska.

Liquefied Natural Gas
Qatar is the world’s leading LNG exporter. In 2009, Qatar exported nearly 1,800 Bcf of LNG. Japan, South Korea, and India were the primary destinations for Qatar’s LNG exports, accounting for about 57 percent in 2009. European markets including Belgium, the United Kingdom and Spain were also significant buyers of Qatari LNG, accounting for an additional 33 percent.

Russia is the leader in LNG exports.

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Hey, if we're sitting on a butt-load of it estimated to meet our needs for over 100 years........why aren't we retooling Detroit to get off of oil???

Save liquid petroleum for things that are nowhere near alternative fuel, such as jetliners.

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Originally Posted by dnf777

I can just hear our admiral arguing with the Israeli admiral over who needs "target practice" more......

I would say "fish in a barrel" regards....
But shooting fish would probably be much more difficult.

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I've been concerned about control of the Suez ever since this "upheaval" started. Though theoretically controlled by international treaties, it wouldn't be the first time that a new regime said "all prior negotiation(s) with the previous criminal, illegitimate repressor of the people are now null & void". Look at Venezuel under Chavez. And if the Suez Canal Authority suddenly became The Islamic People's Canal Council, what would the world really do about it?
Wring their hands and call for constructive dialogue?

Shoot that "fish" and maybe the frigate grounds itself in of the single lanes of the canal or does some other damage to the bridge or other canal infrastructure and let's see how quickly traffic backs up & prices surge.