Setting Up Derby Marks
I did not want to hijack another column on Derby Marks, so here we are
Here is a photo we used in setting up Open Marks. Again, I have not been to the field, so distances are arbitrary and for illustration purposes.
Some assumptions for illustration:
- We are pointing North, so that we have reduced sun issues
- Wind is at our back, so we have reduced wind issues
- This is our field for first and second series, so you need to leave room for two sets of marks
- We have two days and less than 30 dogs, so that time is not an issue
As a Derby judge, don't forget that your dogs are:
- Young, and full of piss and vinegar
- May have traveled one day to get to trial
- Have probably sat in truck for a day at the trial
So, when they come to the line, they want to RUN.
So, in my first series, I like:
1) Longer marks, so that the dogs can run
2) Wider marks, so that the dogs do not switch, or hunt old falls
I can't tell you how many derbies I have run where the first series was short and tight - Maddening!
I want enough difficulty to get separation.
Not so much difficulty to get elimination
If someone gets us a new photo, we can set up marks with a clean field.
I REALLY hope this thread takes off!!
I'm very interested.
Gooser, call Ted lets get rolling I have a young gun that will start his derby career this spring!! We need all the help we can get!.
Regarding the 'picture' to present the dogs with, what about having the shorter of the marks be in the center, and the longer ones on the outside?
The left marks thrown to the left and the right ones thrown to the right. I know that's not very creative, but it's an idea to start with.
Or, depending on the field factors, one of the two series could have converging marks, if it's not too tight (preferably the second series).
I have to get ready for puppy class, so I'll see what transpires after I get back in a few hours.
On 1/28 Ted started a thread entitled "Let's create an All Ageset of land marks" and this field is shown with only distances and wind marked....can someone import that picture into this thread. I am challenged enough trying to set up the marks, let alone not look at the existing set:) I would attempt the import; but I am as "slow as molasses in January" with that kind of stuff....the thread would be long dead before I accomplished it:confused:
I can repost the previous Pic,, but I think Ted drew HIS suggestions for mat and HIS sugestions as to M1 and Flyer.
Originally Posted by Codatango
Remember, we are running two sets of marks in this field.
When you set up your second series, you want to minimize suction to old marks.
The shorter you make the right bird, and the more you move it to center, the more you impact your possible area for second series land marks
I think we need a new field and photo
Originally Posted by ReedCreek
For example, you might want to run this as a second series
Shoot M2 second. To minimize interaction of 1st series marks with M2, shoot it as a go bird. Note that if we had made our right hand mark in the first series shorter and closer to center, we would really be flirting with trouble with M2.
General thoughts about placement of guns that do not retire:
- Give the dogs plenty of room to hunt around the gunners
- Put obstacles between gun and bird (see M1)
Note: You could run these marks from Mat 1, but
- Birds would be tight
- Marks would be cross wind
Opppsss...:oops::oops::oops: I see that nowhttp://www.retrievertraining.net/for...BJRU5ErkJggg==
Originally Posted by MooseGooser