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Historically WI or the more social states produce well educated people, but now you want to make them like texas and produce a bunch of dumb a>>es. Just look at how clueless our governer is and then do the math. Cutting spending on teachers will bite you in the a>>...just look at Texas's model and you won't have any problem connecting the dots.
Umm...don't you live and work in Texas?Quote:
Originally Posted by menmon
yea but I went to school in Chicago....the country wants to be like texas now....lot of great things here but education except for higher education sucks....just pull up standardized test scores and you know all you need to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by huntinman
I believe more studies have shown that class size does matter. It may not be the only important factor, but it still is a factor. Comparing college level lecture classes to public school classes is apples to oranges. 50 or more 18 year olds and over that are paying to be there is quite different than 30 +- public school students. Quality of the teacher is important, but classroom teachers in public schools hands are being tied (figuratively) more and more.
Mike
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Originally Posted by Gerry Clinchy
This then goes back to the root of the problem I started with ... the students are not required to abide by rules that prevent them from interfering with the teaching/learning process.Quote:
Originally Posted by mjiorle
Albeit long ago! I went to public schools with classes close to, if not equal to, 30 students. Misbehavior was not tolerated. We got to release energy during recess.
As for the "paying to be there" part ... those students' in public schools have parents who are paying for them to be there as well. It is just not as obvious as it is with paying tuition. Every time I pay my property taxes, it is a very clear reminder :-)
While a goodly portion of public school students have parents who may not be paying taxes, those who are paying the bills should care that the schools are using that hard-earned $ to best advantage.
In regard to Menmon's mention of special attention to students with special needs ... there is a LOT of that available to children with special needs in today's school systems. My DIL is such a teacher, a reading specialist.
Tuition is optional, taxes are not. Why do private schools have better scores and fewer behavior problems, sometimes with lesser facilities and course offerings? Simple, it's a different class of people that are paying to send their children there. You are right that students(not enough of them), are not required to abide by the rules, and that is a direct reflection of society and parental influences.
Mike
She also criticized a Harvard degree saying it wasn't hard to stay there just to get in and accused him of self medicating while at Harvard, then says she used to smoke pot in Dartmouth all the time and she self medicated. That woman is a poor excuse for a teacher.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerry Clinchy
Each year in negotiations this subject was broached by the reps fron the teachers association - we asked them for any substantiation they could provide - every year there was none, so it was dropped - IMO lower class sizes means more union members & little else - having a lot of experience as a participant in the class room, teacher quality & a stimulating subject are the biggest reason children learn - a good teacher is a good stimulator :)Quote:
Originally Posted by mjiorle
I started at a liberal arts school - left after one semester as there was little challenge - went to an engineering school, now that was college level & the courses were stimulating - I believe some HS level courses could meet that same criteria -
Home school!
Tom
That's it...the parents are paying either through taxes or rent that ultimately pays the taxes...not the students so it does not mean anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerry Clinchy