Triple: long left bird throwing left to right angle back, short middle bird right ttoo left towards the line to the left bird, right bird throwing tight reverse hip pocket into the back of the short gun. Make the short bird the go bird as most HT people like a short go bird (which in this case makes the set up harder running through a fall on one side and tight to the backside of the gun on the other). On the proper terrain (i.e some rolling terrain maybe where the dog looses sight of the long gun before clearing the short gun, or rowed cropfields like cut corn where a dog gets lost anyway)and cover set up correctly for the wind most HRC finished dogs don't come through that set up well at all, reason being most hunt test people don't train on those concepts especially in a tighter set up.
My point was as cool or wicked depending upon your view as this set up could be, as a whole it may work in only a few situations that you may ever run into.
As far as idividual mark placement one of the toughest that I have run recently was with a FT training group, the gunner shot and threw the bird up against a round bail where it bounced off right at the base. My dogs had not seen that, and they sucked at it blowing through under the arc on ridiculous deep hunts. They have seen it now though and that won't happen again.
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Originally Posted by Kelly Greenwood;1018800
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I take it as a bird thrown close in front of cover, tree-line, or sharp contour all of which would tend to push pup off line. Dogs don't normally like to run straight into a "wall" and will likely flair offline.
To me discussing bird placement is like playing Madden football, similar terminology but no relation to reality. Good bird placement is like the saying about defining pornography, I can't define it but I know what it is when I see it. :cool:
I'm starting to wonder if they are really fair to 'teams' at all. If there was a cross wind so you could handle to the down side, then all is good and fair. But the ones I've witnessed have had no wind to help the dogs.
Would not want to have to handle a dog at 300 yds with this scenario!
Debbie Tandoc, CA