Partisan Politics ?

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Originally Posted by huntinman

Come on Franco... GJ will be giving away the free munchies because of all the pot he's smoking! Do I have to spell it out for you?

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Your arguement is weak at best!

And, that you ignore all the other issues just proves it.

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Originally Posted by dback

OK......I agree 100% or nearly so on each point. Where we disagree is that I prefer to support the party that most closely reflects those values and then hold them to it as best as possible. They stand at least some reasonable chance of winning. You on the other hand, believes you will win the popular vote with a complete unknown/inexperienced and that when elected, your complete unknown will not be faced with any of the realities of the job and he will do everything and only those things that you envisioned.

Utopian pipe dream, therefore.....

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Really good post!

On the good quotes thread on the main forum there is one that fits this to a "T".

"Build Momentum first & Precision will come - build Precision first & you will get neither"

Franco's game plan :confused::rolleyes::(:)

Well, if you like what the Dems and Repubs have done to this country, keep supporting them. Personally, I'd like some serious reform and welcome a third voice. The electorate will get the government they deserve!

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Originally Posted by dback

OK......I agree 100% or nearly so on each point. Where we disagree is that I prefer to support the party that most closely reflects those values and then hold them to it as best as possible. They stand at least some reasonable chance of winning. You on the other hand, believes you will win the popular vote with a complete unknown/inexperienced and that when elected, your complete unknown will not be faced with any of the realities of the job and he will do everything and only those things that you envisioned.

Utopian pipe dream, therefore.....

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Like you, I also agree with each of Francos quoted points.
Unlike you I can't say that the Repubs are the party that most closely supports those values. I see the Rs and Dems as equally culpable on most of these points, and more culpable on some of them.

Please explain (with their actions not their words) what makes you believe the R's better support 100% of these stated values.
Also explain how supporting either of the status quo (Rep or Dem) parties dovetails with either of the last two lines of Francos post dealing with holding our politicians accountable, and not blindly following any party while blindly ignoring the facts.

Its time the electorate starts demanding our politicians to do whats best for the country and ignore the rhetoric and judge the bums actions not their words.

If that happened incumbents would almost always have lost in the past few decades as opposed to the reality of them almost never losing
We keep voting these idiots back in blindly thinking the country's going to hell because in spite of my (D or R) districts valiant efforts he has been thwarted by those crooked (D or R) pols from the other party or part of the country; thus perpetuating the mess we are in. The truthe is the Rs and Ds are both screwing us and will as long as we blindly support a party and not holding them accountable for their actual voting record NOT what the say they stand for, because they all campaign on promises of balancing the budget and stopping illegal immigration. Theoretically the House should vote 435-0 and the Senate 100-0 and have cleared up those two issues for example. How has that worked for ya?

For all the blather and ridicule you all toss at Franco it seems as he is the only one willing to look outside of supporting a proven failed model.

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Originally Posted by smillerdvm

Like you, I also agree with each of Francos quoted points.
Unlike you I can't say that the Repubs are the party that most closely supports those values. I see the Rs and Dems as equally culpable on most of these points, and more culpable on some of them.

Please explain (with their actions not their words) what makes you believe the R's better support 100% of these stated values.
Also explain how supporting either of the status quo (Rep or Dem) parties dovetails with either of the last two lines of Francos post dealing with holding our politicians accountable, and not blindly following any party while blindly ignoring the facts.

Its time the electorate starts demanding our politicians to do whats best for the country and ignore the rhetoric and judge the bums actions not their words.

If that happened incumbents would almost always have lost in the past few decades as opposed to the reality of them almost never losing
We keep voting these idiots back in blindly thinking the country's going to hell because in spite of my (D or R) districts valiant efforts he has been thwarted by those crooked (D or R) pols from the other party or part of the country; thus perpetuating the mess we are in. The truthe is the Rs and Ds are both screwing us and will as long as we blindly support a party and not holding them accountable for their actual voting record NOT what the say they stand for, because they all campaign on promises of balancing the budget and stopping illegal immigration. Theoretically the House should vote 435-0 and the Senate 100-0 and have cleared up those two issues for example. How has that worked for ya?

For all the blather and ridicule you all toss at Franco it seems as he is the only one willing to look outside of supporting a proven failed model.

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Thanks Doc.

Don't you know that if Romney wins, he is going to turn the clock back and we will all be living like the TV show, "Happy Days";-)