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Originally Posted by john fallon

For the most part that is true....but on a re-run you must attempt to pick up the birds in the same order you did the first time.

john

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as the last sentence states the handler may not attempt to pick them up in a different order which is very different than he must pick them up in the same order, if the dog chooses a different order no harm no penalty

The re-run of a mark or blind which was not previously completed shall be scored by taking into consideration the combined performances of the dog prior to the point of unfairness in the initial run and after the point of unfairness in the re-run. If there shall be more than one re-run of that mark or blind, the Judges shall exercise their discretion in determining how to score it fairly.
The re-run of a mark or blind which was previously completed shall be scored on the first completion and faults committed on such re-run shall be ignored except that if the dog (1) does not complete that portion in accordance with the Judges’ instructions for the test or (2) commits any of the faults set forth herein as usually justifying elimination from a stake, he shall be penalized in the same manner as the Judges would penalize him regardless of the re-run.

Notwithstanding the last sentence of Standard Procedure 8, a handler is not free to select marked falls in a re-run in an order different from the order in which they were selected in the initial run, and if the handler deliberately attempts to do so the dog shall be eliminated from the stake

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Originally Posted by rboudet

in the same order you "attempted" the first time.

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Could be, but if you missed the short retired and went long and picked up the longer bird first ....the judges might want to try go long before short on the rerun.

john

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Originally Posted by rsfavor

Everyone around here seems to be afraid to name names so I figured I better be safe and keep my "source" confidential!!

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rsfavor,

I hope you do a better job at concealing your passwords and such!!!!! LOL!!!

Atta boy Traveler.....from your half brother, Crosby!

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Originally Posted by john fallon

Could be, but if you missed the short retired and went long and picked up the longer bird first ....the judges might want to try go long before short on the rerun.

john

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Then they would be wrong. If you attempted to pick up the short retired and the dog goes through and picks up the long retired you should attempt to pick up the short retired in the same order.
Been there done that.

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Originally Posted by rboudet

Your source, thats funny

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No doubt. With those initials, I haven't the foggiest idea. :lol: :lol:

Question - what is the purpose of the retired gun rather than concealing the gunner station in the first place. Is it a visibility thing on these long marks?

Here's a couple of questions for Dr. Ed, Ted, and any other judges out there keeping up with the nationals. Several really good marking dogs handled in the beginning of the fifth series. It seems that as the day progressed the test either became easier because of shifting winds/lighting conditions or the handlers were able to see things to help there dogs pick up the marks clean. Will the judges go easier on the dogs who ran first this morning when it comes time for call backs. I realize that not all handles are created equal. How much does the work in the first four series affect cuts after the fifth? Also, can a dog with one handle that makes it through the tenth series beat out a dog that comes through the tenth series clean?

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Originally Posted by WRL

Question for you Mary Lynn, I see you have a qaa dog and a HRCH dog, did you run and handle these dogs? Just curious as I find it odd that you don't know about picking marks up however you want nor did you know what a layout blind was.


Just curious. Usually folks running at those levels would know those things.

WRL

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Guess I don't know things. Just did want to know if the judge had said pick them up in a certain order or not. Is that OKAY!

Yes! I trained, ran and handle my own dog. I am very new to this FT. Thanks for asking!!!!:)

Oh yeah, how much do multiple no-birds for a specific dog figure into the equation?