Angry White Men

Having been away from this board for 6 wonderful days spent in the field with my dogs and the person most dear to me, it is a bit sad, thou not unexpected, to read many of the posts following the election.

Many on this board will never evolve past being AWM, and that saddens me. In part because it proves that the issues that are most pressing for the country continue to take a back seat to the rage this group feels over issues that have little to no bearing on themselves. They would rather focus on the RNC hot button talking points than look at our real problems and work together to find a solution. They find it easier to quote sound bites than research articles and form a fact based, rational opinion. They would rather consider Fox and Rush as fact based reports than look into many different sources and come to a well researched conclusion. They would rather blame than look for common ground to find solutions.


We did not get into this situation alone, and we cannot get out of it without EVERYONE looking for common ground and building from there. Give the BS retoric a rest.

Gay marrage will not diminish the instituion of marrage unless you let it.

Abortion and the decisions around it affect only that person(s) and their God. Unless that is you, you have no dog in that fight

Voter ID can be sensably done and thus continue to allow all Americans the right to vote

The budget cannot be balanced unless earmarks and programs are overhauled and a fair and balanced tax system is in place, with everyone paying a fair share.

PACS must be eliminated or controled and lobbyists banned from contact with elected officials. They work for the people not Wallstreet

All of the Constituional Amendments are sacred and all must be upheld. No one should think of using the Constitution to resrict any persons rights or liberties.

Illegal immigation has got to be addressed in a way that can be enforced.

Thoughtful discussion and hard work is what is needed now, not the same old BS. And if the AWM cannot get on board, the country will continue to suffer. We are looked at as the great experiment. How about we resume showing the world that it works, and not continue our slow spiral down the drain.


Hopeful White Male Regards

What novel ideas!!! Somehow I don't think it's gonna fly. :(

JS

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Originally Posted by Golddogs

Having been away from this board for 6 wonderful days spent in the field with my dogs and the person most dear to me, it is a bit sad, thou not unexpected, to read many of the posts following the election.

Many on this board will never evolve past being AWM, and that saddens me. In part because it proves that the issues that are most pressing for the country continue to take a back seat to the rage this group feels over issues that have little to no bearing on themselves. They would rather focus on the RNC hot button talking points than look at our real problems and work together to find a solution. They find it easier to quote sound bites than research articles and form a fact based, rational opinion. They would rather consider Fox and Rush as fact based reports than look into many different sources and come to a well researched conclusion. They would rather blame than look for common ground to find solutions.


We did not get into this situation alone, and we cannot get out of it without EVERYONE looking for common ground and building from there. Give the BS retoric a rest.

Gay marrage will not diminish the instituion of marrage unless you let it.

Abortion and the decisions around it affect only that person(s) and their God. Unless that is you, you have no dog in that fight

Voter ID can be sensably done and thus continue to allow all Americans the right to vote

The budget cannot be balanced unless earmarks and programs are overhauled and a fair and balanced tax system is in place, with everyone paying a fair share.

PACS must be eliminated or controled and lobbyists banned from contact with elected officials. They work for the people not Wallstreet

All of the Constituional Amendments are sacred and all must be upheld. No one should think of using the Constitution to resrict any persons rights or liberties.

Illegal immigation has got to be addressed in a way that can be enforced.

Thoughtful discussion and hard work is what is needed now, not the same old BS. And if the AWM cannot get on board, the country will continue to suffer. We are looked at as the great experiment. How about we resume showing the world that it works, and not continue our slow spiral down the drain.


Hopeful White Male Regards

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I used to think that way until I became a father and we faced the decision on whether to have our son vs the alternative...I do think that there a lot of people with "no skin invested" making decisions for others...but I also believe that someone has to speak up for the unborn child...

other than that I think your list is good, but dont paint those of us that listen to Rush and watch Fox with the same brush...Rush is entertainment,if you look at him for more than that you need to get a life...I can write volumes on what I dislike about Fox, starting with their over saturated coverage of a single subject, and in their quest to be fair and balanced, the contributors that present the opposing side only go to fan the flames....

AAM regards

I find it amusing that liberals think they have all the answers for what republicans/conservatives "need" to do. Are you libs telling me that you really hope that we will listen to your brilliant ideas and that somehow we will use those brilliant ideas to make a comeback? Right... If the opposing party is telling me what I need to do, thanks but I think I would prefer to find my own way as to leave it in your hands...

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Originally Posted by huntinman

I find it amusing that liberals think they have all the answers for what republicans/conservatives "need" to do. Are you libs telling me that you really hope that we will listen to your brilliant ideas and that somehow we will use those brilliant ideas to make a comeback? Right... If the opposing party is telling me what I need to do, thanks but I think I would prefer to find my own way as to leave it in your hands...

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You just validated every one of his points. You are angry and in no way, shape or form are you willing to work as a team to find resolutions that is best for everybody. Take your blinders off and lose the tunnel vision and you might be able to find some happiness in life instead of focusing on gloom and doom.

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Originally Posted by murral stark

You just validated every one of his points. You are angry and in no way, shape or form are you willing to work as a team to find resolutions that is best for everybody. Take your blinders off and lose the tunnel vision and you might be able to find some happiness in life instead of focusing on gloom and doom.

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So tell me Mr Stark,, What Has changed that gives you so much Optimisum??
The Political arena is basically the same as it was before the election.

Are you satified with the last 4 years?

Seriously What are you celebrating???

Gooser

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Originally Posted by Golddogs

Having been away from this board for 6 wonderful days spent in the field with my dogs and the person most dear to me, it is a bit sad, thou not unexpected, to read many of the posts following the election.

Many on this board will never evolve past being AWM, and that saddens me. In part because it proves that the issues that are most pressing for the country continue to take a back seat to the rage this group feels over issues that have little to no bearing on themselves. They would rather focus on the RNC hot button talking points than look at our real problems and work together to find a solution. They find it easier to quote sound bites than research articles and form a fact based, rational opinion. They would rather consider Fox and Rush as fact based reports than look into many different sources and come to a well researched conclusion. They would rather blame than look for common ground to find solutions.


We did not get into this situation alone, and we cannot get out of it without EVERYONE looking for common ground and building from there. Give the BS retoric a rest.

Gay marrage will not diminish the instituion of marrage unless you let it.

Abortion and the decisions around it affect only that person(s) and their God. Unless that is you, you have no dog in that fight

Voter ID can be sensably done and thus continue to allow all Americans the right to vote

The budget cannot be balanced unless earmarks and programs are overhauled and a fair and balanced tax system is in place, with everyone paying a fair share.

PACS must be eliminated or controled and lobbyists banned from contact with elected officials. They work for the people not Wallstreet

All of the Constituional Amendments are sacred and all must be upheld. No one should think of using the Constitution to resrict any persons rights or liberties.

Illegal immigation has got to be addressed in a way that can be enforced.

Thoughtful discussion and hard work is what is needed now, not the same old BS. And if the AWM cannot get on board, the country will continue to suffer. We are looked at as the great experiment. How about we resume showing the world that it works, and not continue our slow spiral down the drain.


Hopeful White Male Regards

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Not a bad list. How about adding that no one can vote in an election until 3 years after they received their last form of welfare IE food stamps, public housing, medicaid, Obamaphones, etc. Our current system of allowing politicians to buy votes by allowing those on the public dole to vote is outrageous.

Let the bleeding hearts begin...

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Originally Posted by MooseGooser

So tell me Mr Stark,, What Has changed that gives you so much Optimisum??
The Political arena is basically the same as it was before the election.

Are you satified with the last 4 years?

Seriously What are you celebrating???

Gooser

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I am not celebrating anything. I am optimistic that I have a good job, good friends and family. I am one of the few that can and does say that I am better off now than 4 years ago. Sometimes I get dragged into the negativity, but I TRY to find something positive in every situation I encounter. I refuse to sit and dwell on all of the negative things in life. I just try to stay positive. some people are so focused on the negative that I can't imagine them enjoying anything.

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Originally Posted by M&K's Retrievers

Not a bad list. How about adding that no one can vote in an election until 3 years after they received their last form of welfare IE food stamps, public housing, medicaid, Obamaphones, etc. Our current system of allowing politicians to buy votes by allowing those on the public dole to vote is outrageous.

Let the bleeding hearts begin...

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Buying votes doesn't work. Look at the money spent by the "Conservatives" to buy the election. If both sides would've taken all that money they wasted trying to get elected, and put it toward the deficit, that would be a pretty good start. So much for "Conservative" spending. the right made the left look like penny pinchers. LOL

Your suggestion about the welfare, food stamps, etc., is nothing more than "Voter Suppression"

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Originally Posted by Golddogs

Having been away from this board for 6 wonderful days spent in the field with my dogs and the person most dear to me, it is a bit sad, thou not unexpected, to read many of the posts following the election.

Many on this board will never evolve past being AWM, and that saddens me. In part because it proves that the issues that are most pressing for the country continue to take a back seat to the rage this group feels over issues that have little to no bearing on themselves. They would rather focus on the RNC hot button talking points than look at our real problems and work together to find a solution. They find it easier to quote sound bites than research articles and form a fact based, rational opinion. They would rather consider Fox and Rush as fact based reports than look into many different sources and come to a well researched conclusion. They would rather blame than look for common ground to find solutions.


We did not get into this situation alone, and we cannot get out of it without EVERYONE looking for common ground and building from there. Give the BS retoric a rest.

Gay marrage will not diminish the instituion of marrage unless you let it.

Abortion and the decisions around it affect only that person(s) and their God. Unless that is you, you have no dog in that fight

Voter ID can be sensably done and thus continue to allow all Americans the right to vote

The budget cannot be balanced unless earmarks and programs are overhauled and a fair and balanced tax system is in place, with everyone paying a fair share.

PACS must be eliminated or controled and lobbyists banned from contact with elected officials. They work for the people not Wallstreet

All of the Constituional Amendments are sacred and all must be upheld. No one should think of using the Constitution to resrict any persons rights or liberties.

Illegal immigation has got to be addressed in a way that can be enforced.

Thoughtful discussion and hard work is what is needed now, not the same old BS. And if the AWM cannot get on board, the country will continue to suffer. We are looked at as the great experiment. How about we resume showing the world that it works, and not continue our slow spiral down the drain.


Hopeful White Male Regards

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I think I would agree, at least in principle, with your post. I would, however, say that the "fair" part of your comment on taxation is at least one point where things tend to break down. I am not sure that just because someone makes a lot of money, that money should be taxed at a higher rate than someone who earns less. Are the approximately 50% of the folks who pay NO income taxes paying their "fair share"? Should people who live off the largess of their fellow citizens have to perform some form of labor in order to obtain those benefits? (Something like the CCC, pick up trash along the highway, work on national park facilities, restore govt housing, etc.) (I'm not talking about the money we are really "entitled" to like social security). Should those folks have to submit to drug testing to get their benefits? I think that if the Dems would actually tie some entitlement conditions to tax increases, the republicans might see that as the spirit of cooperation, for instance.

It is a continuing shame that social issues like gay marriage and class warfare distract our once (and possibly still) great nation from the real issues like fiscal responsibility and individual freedom.