We corresponded about this dog a while back.........don't you remember ?
Originally Posted by Jennifer Henion
BTW Did it ever occur to you that the dog may have gotten the JAMs in spite of this type of training and not because of it ?
There is also a huge difference between an amateur with one (or two or three) dogs, and a pro who must produce certain results within a certain time frame or risk losing his reputation and means of making a living.
While I don't dispute that dogs can be trained by various means, sometimes for people who make a living training dogs they are under tremendous pressure to get the dog ready for (fill in the blank....hunting pheasants by the time he's 12 months old, hunt tests at 1 year old, field trials while he's young enough for derby, whatever) and some means are just faster than others are. An amateur has the luxury of taking all the time they need to accomplish their goals, with just one or two dogs typically.
Yes yes yes
Originally Posted by hotel4dogs
I think that many trainers are guilty of being underinformed. People criticize the ecollar without knowing anything about it. Others criticize marker training without knowing anything about it. And others criticize Amish style training without even knowing many of the techniques that have vanished from the scene.
Examples of the above:
1) No, I don't follow a system, I just kind of use my own system of using the ecollar.
2) I just say yes. The dog knows what it means, no need to condition it.
3) That dog did ............... (fill in the blank). When he gets back to you, pick him up off all fours and shake him up. Teach that SOB a lesson.
4) Well the dog did it right yesterday when I taught him. I'm sure he knows how to do it right.
Ok here's a video of a guy teaching a baby puppy using a clicker. It was uploaded 3 years ago. With all the advances in clicker training, how should we be doing it differently? Better yet, show us:
I hate pulling out only one line of a post but this is VERY relevant to any real discussion of the topic.
Originally Posted by rmilner
And the Amish still get to the grocery store in the horse and buggy......while I choose to drive my truck.
Originally Posted by Jennifer Henion
Do you want to drive cross country to the east coast with me in my truck or with the Amish guy in his horse and buggy?
Because the Amish guy wants to use his horse and buggy should he get "extra" points? Or is that his choice and should he be compared to anyone who chooses to drive their truck because that is their choice?
While I applaud anyone with their first dog getting the guts to run FTs and to finish is great in any stake....truly an accomplishment. But their methods and their goals are not the methods and goals of others.
Nobody with a truck is going to willing go back to the horse and buggy.
Saw an ad for a new tv program. Amish Mafia. Made me think of the the chocolate dog guys without e-collars.
Here's another video that has a lot of footage of teaching retrieve/hold/fetch etc. Kinda cool but 3 years old. How would you do teach this differently with the newer methods?
Originally Posted by mitty
I would also use the word "good" and "yes" with the clicker because the clicker is not heard that far out when you start to work in the field with the dog. And food may detract the dog from his up close teaching and work. Good while he is a pup but you don't want him dropping the bird for food. IMHO
I do target teach on my dogs as pups because in agility there are contact points the dog must touch (seesaw, walkit and A frame).
I am just not sure clicker's value for long blinds etc in Ft unless you do mega association work up close work with the clicker and the pager on your collar then???Just thinking out loud! Maybe I shouldn't!!!! Any body else have ideas how that would work.