The proof is in the pudding. Everyone would have jumped on the bandwagon if it were effective. Its not a new science after all.
Several years ago, I tried it on a very nice Springer pup because as you know, a “soft flush” is probably the #1 reason good dogs wash out of the Field Trial game. I made the assumption that the most common cause of it was inappropriate or excessive pressure during the steadying process so I thought I’d avoid that by using only P+. What I noticed is that as the dog learned that sitting at the flush meant that he’d get the reinforcement of a retrieve, he started to anticipate that he’d want to sit as soon as he made game.
Although the pup initially had a bold flush, it progressively slowed down until it looked “tentative”. This was clearly not a case of a soft dog blinking birds, in fact it was the opposite. The dog loved birds so much he was trying extra hard to make sure he got the retrieve.
From that experiment I learned that in order to develop & maintain the Bold flush required, I need to first encourage a dog by letting him catch clip winged pigeons often enough to keep him thinking that if he tries hard enough, he can snatch them from before they get away and to use aversives to keep him right on the “edge of control”. The 2Q approach, while effective in teaching the dog that “self-control brings a reward” is not appropriate for what I want in this case.
I am new to the forum and I posted this thread to get a some opinions, I would have never imagined it would go this long or be this controversial. However, I have read some interesting points on this topic and appreciate everyone's input..
I would like to educate myself on some of these training methods. Whether or not I use them is to be seen. Knowledge has been an ongoing mission in my life and I am always learning from others, I don't see why these training methods should be any different.
Does anyone have references to these training methods? Books ,videos, websites....
I did order a copy of Robert Milners book and visited his website and watched some videos, I must say it's impressive!
Thanks Susan for your reply to +R and -P.....just wanted to make sure I understood the symbols.
Yeah, RTF has made me forget things and driven me to drink on a few occasions too.Quote:
Now where did I put my cocktail?
But they are NOT mutually exclusive. In fact, without a doubt, the most successful, expedient ... and the fairest TO THE DOG ... scenario is a trainer that is good at both AND has the skill and experience to read the dog he/she is training.