British Labs / No Force????

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Originally Posted by gdgnyc

How many dogs have you taught that way?

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Don't know....probably around 30.

WRL

Darrin, Thanks for posting that Michael Ellis / Leerberg video again! You're right, it's perfect! What a great explanation and a dynamic speaker. The first time you posted it - in a different thread - I watched the first 3 mins and clients walked in and I forgot about it. It is long, but great. Hopefully the people who have questions about "rewards based" training will take 15 minutes to watch it.

Maybe we can kidnap him and make him create a retriever program.

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Originally Posted by Jennifer Henion

Darrin, Thanks for posting that Michael Ellis / Leerberg video again! You're right, it's perfect! What a great explanation and a dynamic speaker. The first time you posted it - in a different thread - I watched the first 3 mins and clients walked in and I forgot about it. It is long, but great. Hopefully the people who have questions about "rewards based" training will take 15 minutes to watch it.

Maybe we can kidnap him and make him create a retriever program.

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Not sure why you'd want that with the amount of great retriever programs that are out there Jenn.

Besides that, as I mentioned, from what I've seen (I don't know the guy), Ellis has no problem with aversive methods of training. He seems really good at early development and setting dogs up so that pressure down the line is minimized though.

I just like the clarity of his explanations, regardless of topic.

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Originally Posted by cakaiser

Who cares. Her rats are still the smartest. They have titles to prove it.

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Dang it when will I learn to delete before I post instead of after #footinmouthagain

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Originally Posted by WRL

Don't know....probably around 30.

WRL

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That's impressive. How did you teach your dog to sit on the whistle?

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Originally Posted by gdgnyc

That's impressive. How did you teach your dog to sit on the whistle?

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First you put your dog on a leash then you heel him and when he isn't looking you drop a whistle then you walk him in a circle and when you come back by the whistle tell him sit. Caution make sure the whistle is flat on the ground or the dog might resent it. If it isn't flat on the ground and you hear a muffled whistle sound hold your nose and command here and walk off.:p

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Originally Posted by DarrinGreene

Not sure why you'd want that with the amount of great retriever programs that are out there Jenn.

Besides that, as I mentioned, from what I've seen (I don't know the guy), Ellis has no problem with aversive methods of training. He seems really good at early development and setting dogs up so that pressure down the line is minimized though.

I just like the clarity of his explanations, regardless of topic.

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Neither do I, Darrin. Sounds like he knows what he's doing. Didn't hear him mention that he uses much compulsion or aversive escape methodology in his early training, which is what I do shy away from.

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Originally Posted by duk4me

First you put your dog on a leash then you heel him and when he isn't looking you drop a whistle then you walk him in a circle and when you come back by the whistle tell him sit. Caution make sure the whistle is flat on the ground or the dog might resent it. If it isn't flat on the ground and you hear a muffled whistle sound hold your nose and command here and walk off.:p

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That only happens if you feed Purina.

This has been a great discussion:

However at the end of the day it's DOG TO THE LINE.


​Show us what you have :)

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Originally Posted by gdgnyc

That's impressive. How did you teach your dog to sit on the whistle?

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Same way you teach them to seat on a duck. :cool:

JS