HMMMMM....Looks Like I Was Correct!!!

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Originally Posted by HPL

NO not OK with the deletion of PE. Dad killed in car wreck when I was 6 wearing seat belt. I had a pretty bad one in highschool also wearing seatbelt and not a scratch, but am certain would have gone through windshield if unbelted. ALL research and ALL evidence PROVES that seatbelts SAVE lives, so your argument there is just, well I really hate to use the term, but, stupid.


Hugh

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I'm sorry you lost your dad in a car accident. I think this is a issue in many ways that people have seen both sides of. My brother was a passenger in a car that had a fatal wreck when we were in our very early 20's. The driver died. I saw the car at the scene. He would have been dead if he was wearing his seat belt. The top of the car was sheared off at the bottom of the windshield. They hit a billboard. It took a long time before I could put a seatbelt on again. I remember that next morning (it happened very late at night) my Mom going off on me for not having my seatbelt on. I also remember my gut reaction which I should not have said outloud.

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Originally Posted by huntinman

A bullet hole is a bullet hole. It doesn't know whether it came from a rifle or a pistol and neither does the ME. The only thing he would be able to tell is the caliber... they would have shell casings all over the floor and bullet fragments all over to compare... The only reason the info is not out... someone does not want it out.

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Are you comparing this to Fast & Furious and Bengahzi????

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Originally Posted by road kill

Are you comparing this to Fast & Furious and Bengahzi????

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Well... for a country that (had) a media that spoke truth to power... we sure seem to be in the dark on a multitude of issues these days.

Did you notice that even John kerry did not get to speak when he was announced for Sec Of State? That is unusual... We only hear what those in power want us to hear.

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Originally Posted by huntinman

Well... for a country that (had) a media that spoke truth to power... we sure seem to be in the dark on a multitude of issues these days.

Did you notice that even John kerry did not get to speak when he was announced for Sec Of State? That is unusual... We only hear what those in power want us to hear.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Great observation, Bill. Either that, or the messiah didn't want to explain a possible gaff before he spent his first day in the cabinet. He is, after all, credited with "voting for it, before I voted against it". Be quite a contest as to which "gaff machine"...Kerry or Biden...gets the most 'press'.

UB

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Originally Posted by HPL

NO not OK with the deletion of PE. Dad killed in car wreck when I was 6 wearing seat belt. I had a pretty bad one in highschool also wearing seatbelt and not a scratch, but am certain would have gone through windshield if unbelted. ALL research and ALL evidence PROVES that seatbelts SAVE lives, so your argument there is just, well I really hate to use the term, but, stupid.

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Many years ago a young draftee was heading down a gravel road with 5 other people in his dad's 4 door 1941 Chevy sedan. Needless to say they had been imbibing a little & managed to leave the road at a speed estimated @ 90 mph, clip off a telephone line 30 feet in the air & roll several times in a field. One person had a sprained wrist, other than that no other injuries besides a few sore spots, one person who knew the area walked 2 miles down the road to a ranch house to use the phone. The car was totaled but had to be repaired in it's entirety as there were no new cars available. (As an aside the dad would go into a cussing mode whenever something didn't work that had before :)) That was in the days cars were made of significant strong stuff (I won't go into the technical stuff so as not to lose you).

I owned a 53 Pontiac Catalina that I could peg that got 20 MPG with a straight 8, drove from Rapid City to Mitchell in 3 hours & 40 minutes on old Hwy 16. What I'm trying to say to you is the older cars were safer, got very good mileage, & did not require a lot of unnecessary regulation, which apparently is something you are fond of :(.

If you believe my views to be STUPID, so be it, but I haven't had to resort to name calling to advance my arguments as you are doing.

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Originally Posted by HPL

As to smoking, the biggest problem I have there is that it isn't fatal quickly or reliably enough. If you have paid ANY attention to my posts over the last couple of years, you know that I am mostly a misanthrope and think that there are way too many people on this little blue sphere and so don't really care if folks commit suicide, just wish they would use more reliable means than tobacco use. If it worked more reliably and faster, it would be a good tool to help raise the collective IQ. Actually goes for ADULTS and seat belts too.

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So as a misanthrope do you favor genocide? Do you believe your IQ & your contribution to society favor your presence on this planet? Or did the big guy make a mistake when he allowed your living presence to continue when you were obviously acting stupid?

I am an ex-smoker, quit on my own many years ago before smoking became a cause, but enjoy going to a restaurant that does not allow smoking (nothing like a reformed whore) :). But the airlines are all in favor of No Smoking, the damage it did to the skins of the airplanes & the rivets that held those skins was enormous. FYI, riveting is done per BAC 5004 which allows greater tolerances.


But, all in all, you have answered nothing, so enjoy your time off :p

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Originally Posted by Uncle Bill

I have always viewed HPL as a quasi conservative...kinda a tree-hugger-saving-spotted-owls cause promoter that carries a gun... UB

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UB, I actually believe we should not despoil our environment but as I am not making a profit from that I view it in a different manner than most of the huggers here. As for the individual that is in the limelight, my view is that he has a way with words, that they add up to little is of no consequence to him. But I wouldn't want him having my back in any sort of a disagreement, verbal or otherwise.

When we brought youngsters onto this planet we felt a responsibility. We did our darndest to fulfill that responsibility, including making sure they ate a healthy diet, got lot's of exercise, & knew the difference between good habits & bad habits. We did not believe it to be the responsibility of anyone to raise our kids. That included the requirement that they pay for their own education beyond grade 12. I'd like to think we & they were successful without the help of anyone.

Hhmmm. I heard tonight that the recent movie house shooting perp in CO. has a father who sits on the same board ( can't remember what board or where ) as the father of the Sandy Hook shooter. Computer tech also here says unless the hard drive was completely destroyed from the Sandy Hook shooters computer ( desk top ? ) that bits and pieces might be rescued and read ( by the FBI people ). Strange info if it is true !!!!
Just some info shared by visiters to our house this evening.............I know nothingggggg.

P.S. computer tech also said laptop hard drives are easy to destroy though.

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I have always viewed HPL as a quasi conservative...kinda a tree-hugger-saving-spotted-owls cause promoter that carries a gun... on occassion. He will frequently espouse a form of cradle-to-grave governmental mandates, like his views on seat belts, and I suspect automobile air bags. I often wonder if those imposed government 'safety' costs, that increase what's charged to the consumer, ever enlighten him? Has he ever considered that in the current environment of CTG G-ment 'protection'...like uninsured and UNDERinsured motorist coverage the current laws require all of us law-abiding car owners to carry, that all we succeed in doing is enlarging the pool of non-responsible drivers? Hellsbells, some of these ignoramuses jump into these vehicles and act like they are in a bumper-car, with no responsibilities at all.

Living in a nation regulated by a Constitution that is based on liberty and freedom, it's always amazed me how frequently the leftists are so quick to have those freedoms legislated away...or worse, quick to spend someone elses money to enforce all those newly legislated regulations. The idea of rugged individualism is lost among these socialist/communistic thinkers. How could some of these folks, that call themselves Americans, have allowed the "free-ice-cream" crowd to foolishly put in place a regime that has a vendetta to ruin this country. We laugh at the imbiciles in California that voted in more taxes, so they presumably could continue to get their freebies, having no thought whatsoever about what happens when the producers quit...and leave.

The Bill Bonner column I posted pretty much sums up my thoughts on our current condition in this nation. It's doubtful either of our great grandkids will get out from under this crushing debt. The government spending will continue until we have turned this nation into another Greece, and we are powerless to stop it.

UB

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You think I'm a liberal and Murral thinks I'm a reactionary so I think I have actually positioned myself just about right.

IN Texas, the only insurance that you are required to carry is liability so that when you cause a wreck and total MY vehicle and put ME in the hospital, I have some recourse. If you aren't carrying liability ins and are judgement proof, where does that leave me, the injured party?

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Originally Posted by Pete

If you don't care if people live or die then why would you want them to wear a seat belt. You seem to contradict yourself all in one breath.
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Adults can do what they want (as long as it doesn't put me and mine at risk), mainline draino for all I care. Wear your seatbelt or don't, I have no opinion there (as long as when you are in an accident and incur injuries that would have been prevented by the belt you don't then sue others for your stupidity). Minors are a different matter. When you are responsible for another's life (that is to say a minor in your care), I think it is just fine to hold you accountable for how you exercise that responsibility.

HMMMMM....Looks Like I Was Correct (or not)!!!


Stan, you're always correct...JD

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Originally Posted by Marvin S

(I won't go into the technical stuff so as not to lose you).

What I'm trying to say to you is the older cars were safer, got very good mileage, & did not require a lot of unnecessary regulation, which apparently is something you are fond of :(.

If you believe my views to be STUPID, so be it, but I haven't had to resort to name calling to advance my arguments as you are doing.

So as a misanthrope do you favor genocide? Do you believe your IQ & your contribution to society favor your presence on this planet? Or did the big guy make a mistake when he allowed your living presence to continue when you were obviously acting stupid?


But, all in all, you have answered nothing, so enjoy your time off :p

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You don't need to "leave out the technical stuff", as you have alluded too yourself, I'm relatively quick, and I do hang out with smart folks (some of whom are even smarter than I am), so if you get into something that is beyond my ken, I probably know someone who could 'splain it to me. As to your statement that the old, heavy, all steel cars were safer than the new models, that is just demonstrably not true. You will just have to chalk it up to my quirkiness, but I am going to have to go with the engineers and the statisticians on this one. I would also point out that I didn't call YOU stupid, I said that your apparent position on seatbelts was stupid. I've had numerous stupid ideas over the years. The idea that under most circumstances, wearing a seatbelt doesn't improve your chances of surviving an auto accident, is demonstrably wrong. Certainly seatbelts won't always save you (my father is an excellent example of that), nor will not wearing one always result in a worse outcome than one would have obtained wearing the belt. Odds do, however tilt greatly in favor of the person wearing the belt (again statistics seem to prove that pretty conclusively).

Do I favor genocide? No. Not having a great love for mankind in general doesn't mean one would necessarily sanction the extirpation of entire races or ethnic groups, nor would it even mean that one lacks compassion.
Do I think I'm a gift from God? Well as an agnostic (on a good day), I would have to say no. Is my life worth more than anyone else's? Only to me, my wife, and my aging mother (and not really to me sometimes).

You quit smoking? Good for you, but as I have said many times, as an adult for whom I have no emotional attachment, do what you want, smoke, eat toadstools, lick toads, whatever, YOU'RE AN ADULT, no skin off my nose.

As to "having anyone's back" in a confrontation, verbal or otherwise, well, since I have a way with words, I might be of some help if I believed in your position (or thought it would amuse me) verbally. Don't know about a fist fight, haven't been involved in one since highschool so not a lot of skill there (doubt that many in my crowd have either). There are some causes that would warrant risking imprisonment or worse, but from what I can tell, most physical confrontations among adults are over fairly frivolous issues. I'm not beating on someone because they called you a jackass or besmirched your favorite sports team, or even suggested that some female relative of yours was not as virtuous as one would wish. Minor irritations in the overall scope of things.

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Originally Posted by HPL

You don't need to "leave out the technical stuff", as you have alluded too yourself, I'm relatively quick, and I do hang out with smart folks (some of whom are even smarter than I am), so if you get into something that is beyond my ken, I probably know someone who could 'splain it to me.

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Obviously you have a very high opinion of your abilities. I've met a few folks like that, mostly liberal & generally overrating their ability :rolleyes:. Your education is ??????????????, your vocation past & present are ?????

Where I worked after a change in careers, there were many who wanted to feel they could be engineers. Other than lacking the education plus any desire to attain same & the innate ability to solve technical issues, they continued to want a seat at the table. As one of my higher level supervisors stated "the good engineers are like toast, they pop up, but the loaf they originate from is small".