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I am going to be following Hillmann with my pup and have watched the video a couple times now. I was wondering, do you guys that follow Hillmann teach place during the puppy video phase, or do you wait until a certain time in training? I am wanting to teach place to a stand, or mat, or a field hunting hut.
I start teaching place and kennel at eight weeks during treat training.
Jim Boyer Kwicklabs does a lot with the place command.Jim posts here from time to time and has extensive training notes on his Kwicklabs website. take a look at Jim's website as I think you will find it very helpful.
Very early on, my pups are conditioned to a "place board". At first they are fed on one (regularly starting at seven/eight weeks old). During this early puppy phase the word "place" is imprinted. It is not a formal, enforced or corrected process....just a fun, game routine.Quote:
I am going to be following Hillmann with my pup and have watched the video a couple times now. I was wondering, do you guys that follow Hillmann teach place during the puppy video phase, or do you wait until a certain time in training? I am wanting to teach place to a stand, or mat, or a field hunting hut.
Later, when we begin formal OB, they "heel" over one, "sit" on one and return to a "heel/sit" on one from remote sit off another one.
3 months old, short remote "sit", "here" game session
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edit: Joel, thanks for the kind reference. I was writing my post almost at the same time. ;)
Awesome, thanks for the info and reference to KwickLabs' site. I will be spending my day off reading through all the info he has on there!
Most of us can't walk right out the door to train so we need crate manners early on, including for potty training.
I advise clients with all kinds of dogs to have the dogs eat in the crate, and also show them how to lure/reward with treats.
I also teach pups to sit in the crate when I approach and not come out until they are given permission.
There is a good video around called "crate games", done by Susan Garrett that goes over things really thoroughly in this area.
It's all reward based and couldn't hurt to do before or during Hillman's process.
I'm still a little confused my self as to "sit" vs "place" ( what is the real difference here? ) but am interested in learning more about place and possibly introducing this to my pup. I have reviewed kwicklabs website and am looking for additional information on teaching "place". I was at a hunting & fishing show watching a dog training seminar and he had the place boards out for his 12 week ylf and i chatted with him a little bit, but there were lots of folks in line to chat so I didn't get everything I wanted. He had stated that he moved to place boards and "place" because it seemed to cure any creeping that might occur. Obviously when the dog is at sit - without a mat or board, if you turn your head for a second it is difficult to determine if the dog creeped. This was his explanation.
I was turned on to the place thing a couple weeks ago and wish it had been earlier. The diff is sit means sit here and dont move until told. To me and how i use place is when i train alone which is more than not the case i can walk out a hundred yards, throw a mark, release my dog, he returns to me with bumper then i line him up and say "place" and there he goes back to his board/mat or now whatever i say place it. This comes in handy for hunting too, say you need your dog 100 or so down river, or your in water to cold for him to stand/sit in, all you need is "Place"
I started teaching this in the garage, had him sit on his "Place" i tossed a bumper he got it, then i walked him over and said "place" they pick up quick, then just kee[ expanding the distance. WHen at far distances i use a stake with rags on it to mark the board for me...
pretty simple, you use an elevated (slightly) board so they have to step up onto it. start by luring the dog onto the platform and rewarding for having all four paws on it. once they start to show they realize the rewards come from being on the platform (they will go there without being told), add the verbal cue. so... cue, lure, reward. phase out the luring as you go along and make the rewards intermittent, then phase out the rewards also...
if you want to the dog to sit on the platform, it's pretty to lure into a sit position but I usually leave that till later so you can work on one thing at a time...
"place" or "hup" or whatever cue just means get all four feet on the platform at first, you can make it mean four feet on and sit later.
I haven't looked but there has to be 100 vids on youtube about this.
Sit is sit. I use place while hunting timber if I need my dog on the stand asap. He will go to that stand from anywhere around the hole. Also, I use place for getting on to tailgates, into the boat, basically any platform. Trust me, I couldnt hunt without that command.Quote:
Originally Posted by PassinthruOutdoors