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Dogs can be conditioned to respond a certain way in a certain context with the push of a button without a command or cue. When a dog is made responsible for a specific behavior and that behavior fails on cue with the context,,, a well conditioned dog will do what is needed to be done ,,,silently,,,with only stimulous to cause him to do the correct behavior
Pete
That's true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete
When a dog knows sit-to-flush, and a bird gets up, it can be held to a high enough standard that sit is enforceable with the collar, without the command being given.
Dogs can be conditioned to respond a certain way in a certain context with the push of a button without a command or cue. When a dog is made responsible for a specific behavior and that behavior fails on cue with the context,,, a well conditioned dog will do what is needed to be done ,,,silently,,,with only stimulous to cause him to do the correct behavior
Pete
When a dog knows sit-to-flush, and a bird gets up, it can be held to a high enough standard that sit is enforceable with the collar, without the command being given. copterdoc..
If the dog associated the bird flush with the stimulation in a positive manner it works ...but,if in a negative manner you get a dog that is bird shy now...Just as a dog can be conditioned to sit on a call or shot...the correct association is a must to have the proper out come....Steve S
It's called chaining.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve schreiner
If the dog knows that "B" predicts "A", and is conditioned to perform an action in response to "B" in preparation for "A", we can then condition another link in the chain.
So, we can create a new "C", that predicts "B", and have the dog perform the same behavior that it was conditioned to perform in preparation for "A".
That's all Classical Conditioning.
And it's how we condition a complete retrieve, from a series of conditioned behaviors.
We condition them all separately, and then each one "commands" the next in sequence.
I have noticed when my dogs start chaining they want skip the in between behaviors and go straight to the end link...Steve SQuote:
Originally Posted by copterdoc
It might happen really fast, but there's no "link skipping" going on. Each link predicts the next.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve schreiner
I'm not sure I believe this definition.Quote:
Originally Posted by copterdoc
I have classically conditioned to stim before, in the instance of counter surfing or dumpster diving, but I don't think you're classically conditioning during CC.
In that case I think the dog is already classically conditioned, meaning he understands the cue/response/re-enforcement relationship. In CC I think you're simply introducing a new re-enforcer to the equation, that being escape or avoidance.
In fact it's pretty standard than unless classic conditioning is already in place, we don't apply e-collar pressure.
As I mentioned, I have taken advantage of suspicious behavior in some instances to classically condition a dog NOT to do a certain action, but that is quite a different case than collar conditioning to a known (classically conditioned) behavior.
Actually that's quite true and different than what copterdoc is talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve schreiner
Your dog learns any number of things by skipping links in a chain. Sit to the whistle is perhaps the easiest one to understand.
We start by luring as a puppy, hand movement precedes behavior which precedes reward.
When then build to verbal command, hand movement, behavior, reward. Then whistle, verbal, hand, behavior, reward.
In the end we get whistle = behavior, effectively skipping the verbal and the hand movement.
This is the theory I use in teaching pet dog folks how to get fifi to sit, down etc...
Yes, the cue for a given behavior need not be a verbal or hand command, it may not even come from a human, and it is still re-enforceable.Quote:
Originally Posted by copterdoc
How is that different, than classically conditioning a secondary reinforcer, like the clicker?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinGreene
Doesn't the dog need to make an association, on the same "level"?