Mark, I just reread your post...I am now thinking I misunderstood your frustration and that my response isn't relevant to the problem you are having.
If dog is getting out on the way to the pile and won't take the casts to stay in the water, this is normal. This is why you do swim by---to teach dog to handle in water.
If Carol can help, wait for her to show you.
I don't know if you're following an orgainzed program, but it sounds very much like your dog needs to be water forced, and then taken carefully through Swim-by. That pond is quite large for Swim-by, but you can do it. It will just take extra time to walk out the casts and SBs. If he had those skills you could do multiple basic Tune-up drills on that pond, as well as down the shore-type marks.
It's Mrs. 2Tall to you Shawn!;) And yes, ALL of my training is in the desert! You might say I am stuck between the rocks and a high place! And unfortunately we have to be creative and come up with new ways to use whatever water we can find. I am sure that Mark and Trap are perfectly capable of mastering the concepts of swim-by without an engineered swim by pond.:cool:
Originally Posted by Shawn White
Trying to look up swim by......
No idea what that is yet.
I tried watching trt dvd's, but am lost in because trap is trained in something that come later in somethings and not in others. He is a mix of training steps/levels.
He handles great on land and very well in water.
Here was a 163 yard cold blind the other day.
I put a frozen duck behind the little tree, center right. Wind was blowing directly left to right.
He got off line going down the hill and across the wash a little, but let him clear the thicker bushes before doing a whistle sit.
A right over back, and he nailed it.
On land he is great, a few issues, being still young, he is getting it real well.
Remember now, I am uneducated in doing this stuff, and am relating training to hunting.
Now the doggie games come into play, and thru learning how they are played, trying to refine Trap, to those standards.
The angled water entries and swim backs are for the games. His running the banks are fine for hunting because he makes better time on birds floating down in the current.
So he has learned from last season, the bank is your friend, but now in a pond, Im trying to teach him, it's not.
In the doggie games the return isn't judged, correct,?
How much bank running to the retrieve is acceptable before diving in and making the retrieve?
And carol, I think the desert training comment, was a wink, wink, nudge, nudge, comment...
Mark, dogs like the water but they also like to get to the bird fast. Swimming just takes longer!
Take a look at this article "The swim-by," by Dennis Voigt:
That looks great.