An interesting perspective on the ACA:
Obama moved to exempt his WH staffers since they make such a modest compensation that it is too expensive for them to be compelled to participate, even through "exchanges."
Congress is now trying to exempt themselves from it as well.
Should this tell us something about what a good idea this is? Now that those who tell us that this is the greatest thing since sliced bread FOR US ... THEY want no part of it for themselves.
Although I don't believe that single payer is the answer, ACA seems to be the worst of both worlds.
Interestingly ... cosmetic surgery and Lasik eye surgery are not covered by insurance or ACA ... and in those specialties costs have come down and quality and innovation have increased. Coincidence?
I will be the first to say that the folks on here are good folks with good hearts. However, they need to think about what they are saying and to think about how it sounds. They have aligned themselves with the republicans because they say things that are very dear to them, like no gun control, lower taxes, cut spending, muslims are bad, lets kick the sh#t out of Iran, etc. While the democrats say things that they are very oppose to and they are cival rights, higher taxes, control on guns, abortion, more spending.
The problem is these things sound good as sound bites, and are easy to argue either way, and elections are moved on these sound bites.
The problem is the democrats take a more inclusive position than the republicans addressing many peoples issues, where the republicans want to exclude the poor folks, which many times is largly minority. Those minorities are not lesser people just have not had the opportunities that you have had.
We have all been given a helping hand by government in some form or fashion, and someone's tax dollars allowed it. Now that we don't need a helping hand, does not mean that helping those that do is wrong. If we help each other we are all better for it.
Those doctors we argued about that save lives got grants and student loans in order to be able to afford the cost of the schooling and living expenses. Don't you think they should be willing now to give back either by accepting less from those that can't afford the going rate and pay taxes so that the government can take care of those that can't take care of themselves. But it is funny how people forget, because most of them are more worried about where and how big their house is and what country club they belong to.
Having said that I think my money being used to educate a doctor is not a bad use, and my money being used to fund grants that further sciences that mankind benefits from. But the right wants to do away with early start programs and cut education funding. True enough, many of those dollars are spent on people that do not maximize their potential, but who knows there may have been folks that would have cured cancer that fell through the cracks because the tea party said do away with the spending, and lower my taxes
i consider myself a generous and charitable person. i enjoy and consider it a duty to give to those i see and that i know are experiencing true need. all Americans seem to have common senses of duties and generosity. for example, how many billions of dollars did U.S. citizens contribute internationally to aid in the tsunami? we are the most generous and prosperous people on earth.
i enjoy giving........i don't necessarily enjoy my government giving for me. often i don't see as needy who my government sees as needy. my view is if we were all left to choose, i could give temporarily to a fellow church member's family who's bread winner lost a job. when he was employed again, i could find another suitable recipient of my generosity.
alternatively, menmon could set up auto draft for monthly contributions to planned parenthood or the united nations relief fund or whoever he from his perspective he deems worthy.
we could eliminate 4/5ths of government and we would all still be "doing the right thing" for everyone we as a nation feel the need to support. we would just take all the costly non effective government middle men out of charity work.
cary, if my taxes were lower, i would even help a brother out with some bad teeth!:razz:(provided methamphtemine is not what he lost them to)
That would be nice but obviously our individual charity is not enough or there would not be a need. Just like roads in Alabama, I don't ever drive on those roads but I see the need to fund them. Defense spending, albeit there is much waste, I see the need for it. I don't like helping people that don't help themselves but if we can get drug addicts clean and productive the cost to society is less. It is too easy to say get the government out of it. But as you saw we need those government air traffic controler. I'm for reducing waste and making people do more with less, but this has to be done wisely
i gladly pay for road work evertime i fill up my tank to use the road. we all pay earmarked taxes for that purpose!(if these dollars were spent wisely we would not have to wait until we die to drive on streets of gold?)
i am talking charity, if you and i were doing it personally there would be NO habitual misuse of "the system"! charity is the work of churches and individuals.......roads and defense is the work of governments.
Not a coincidence at all. But inovation and less costly equipment plays a big part of the costs being lowered. Add to that, both require very little in the way of expensive tests. And neither require expensive drugs.
Originally Posted by Gerry Clinchy
It is the system we need to return to! Healthcare started to get out of control when the HMO/PPO system began.
Originally Posted by caryalsobrook
A first for me!
The ignore feature!
When I hear the left accusing the working class for being greedy, I always think of this Milton Friedman video.
What this country needs is more, 'greedy' tax payers! The ultimate economic stimulus would be, no more Federal taxes.
The American Tax Payer is the most abused citizen in our society. The BIG government footprint that we are all experiencing now won't last. Obamacare will be nothing but a bad memory in a few years because, it won't work.
Originally Posted by Franco
One of my brothers was a CFO/controller for a hospital in SoCal, I have often heard him speak the same exact thing...he said it did more to create needless paperwork that leads to nowhere, and has done little in the grand scheme of things