Originally Posted by Breck
Don't know him and no assertions cast.
My point is that he is Wrong to tell people never to handle in training, period. His rant centered around handling a dog after it widens it's hunt in the fall area. This is a different animal.
Also, handling "on" a mark is different than handling "to" a mark.
Too much Blowing and Recall could lead to Popping and other problems just like Handling.
For Handling "on" marks in training I would follow the 3 H's. First Help, then Handle then Hurt (so to speak).
I would rarely if ever handle a dog near gunners or in the are of the fall. If using remotes and a dog is in big trouble you may not have a choice. One big reason to use live birdboys.
On path to a mark depending on the dogs decisions there are many opportunities to apply 3 H's prior to dog getting close to gun or area of fall.
When trying to teach a young dog retired guns. Have the guns retire while the dog is enroute to the mark.
Thanks for all the comments, I'm feeling less clueless.
Did you watch the video?
That's how we'd start out as well. Let the dog come back in from picking up the first or second mark, line him/her up at the retired gun who has yet to retire....and then either instruct the gunner to retire or have him retire the moment I send the dog. Radios are imperative in teaching retireds (IMO) as if the gunner is unable to see the dog, he's unable to help unless you have a means of instructing him.
Originally Posted by Golden Boy
Paul, why do you feel compelled to make fun of people asking for help with retriever training, on a forum for people needing help with retriever training?
Originally Posted by Gun_Dog2002
Why don't you tell us all how you learned to train retrievers? Did you go to retriever training school? Who did you apprentice with? Have you produced any all age dogs?
I there a "wrong side" of a retired gun?
Is the AOF greatly larger with a long memory bird that is retired?
I would think the "Handling woud be used for factors avoided in route to AOF..
If teaching a young dog the concept of retired guns, it would make sense to me to begin with a shorter distance,,with very few factors in route,
Make the mark TOTALLY about the guy deciding to sit down and hide, then as the dog starts to "get it" add different things in route.
If dog has touble then, have BB stand up, maybe fake a throw,, and THEN dont be afeared to repeat..... the same mark
Dont be John Wayne,,,
There's a small but significant bylaw written into the RTF rules of conduct that states for every ten posts of helpful advice there must be one, sarcastic, belittling or humorous unrelated to the subject post. Or as an alternative you can substitute any post from featherquest.
Originally Posted by mitty
I still don't understand a single thing that fella says...
Originally Posted by John Robinson
Originally Posted by Duckquilizer