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    http://www.totalretriever.com/index.php/resources/...

    http://www.totalretriever.com/index.php/resources/training-tips/67-should-all-dogs-be-trained-with-an-e-collar

    Your dog does not understand what you want and doesn't understand where the...
  2. If this is the same yellow female with low drive,...

    If this is the same yellow female with low drive, you quit trying to shoot the gun, quit trying to walk her at heel, and quit trying to do walk ups until you have the dog wild to retrieve. It appears...
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    Need to Paul. unfortunately I believe we are in...

    Need to Paul. unfortunately I believe we are in the minority.
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    There were no factors, uniform terrain and cover,...

    There were no factors, uniform terrain and cover, no wind, no other guns, no old falls. Nothing.
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    Lardy let's the dog exit on the end and run...

    Lardy let's the dog exit on the end and run around corner. I don't think I can improve on his results, so that's what I stick with. Intuitively you'd think this would be counter productive, but the...
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    Carol Cassity's book...

    Carol Cassity's book
    http://www.gundogsupply.com/building-a-retriever-book.html

    as I recall has a drill to work on this.

    I think you, while holding the gun, move the dog with verbal commands...
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    Lots of praise and they run back to me around the...

    Lots of praise and they run back to me around the pond on land.
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    What hillmann video do you have? I use the...

    What hillmann video do you have? I use the original training a retriever puppy and it lays it out pretty good. Start with a second or two, then get 3 or 4, etc.

    Praise when he foes it right. If...
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    I use this one on a two hole box. It throws a lot...

    I use this one on a two hole box. It throws a lot of air. I hang it on the side of my box.
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    A lot of folks use these......

    A lot of folks use these...
    http://www.adventurerv.net/fantastic-vent-endless-breeze-fan-p-1456.html?gclid=COuAta2o48UCFdM8gQod_UQAmA&utm_campaign=partsfeed_ppc&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=Froogle
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    Yes, by 5 feet. But as the rule book says, that...

    Yes, by 5 feet. But as the rule book says, that should not be appreciably out scored by a dog the pinpoints the mark.

    If you run marks into the wind, the dog will throw it's head a long way from...
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    I guess that's the rub. The head going up is...

    I guess that's the rub. The head going up is hunting in a trial. Similar to nose down, tail crack, and I'd guess there are other signs.
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    Mine either. Maybe we have the same DVD ? I...

    Mine either. Maybe we have the same DVD ?

    I am curious how this technique will get the dog running directly to the AOF before beginning to hunt.
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    You'd be wrong. These judges were very clear in...

    You'd be wrong. These judges were very clear in their reasoning. 15 yards left of true line but in a cover strip 6" higher than surrounding cover is good, 3' right of line but not in the cover strip...
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    I can see how it would take them further out (but...

    I can see how it would take them further out (but not beyond the bird), but field trial marks are judged based on where the dog starts to hunt. Running into the wind gets them to start hunting short...
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    I don't see a question really, just a comment....

    I don't see a question really, just a comment. Running marks into the wind teaches dogs to hunt short. I never do it, especially with a young dog. I want them to use their eyes to run all the way to...
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    Marty, my area of fall is in relation to the...

    Marty, my area of fall is in relation to the bird, not to the gun. So, depending on the mark, it could very well include area behind a stand up gun.

    So on a relatively short go bird with few...
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    That's normally interpreted as a controlled break...

    That's normally interpreted as a controlled break - not an eliminating fault in the Q.
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    Was that the same judges that judged me out for...

    Was that the same judges that judged me out for being 3' off line on the blind after stepping on three marks in the 1st?
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    I used this diagram to illustrate a point. The...

    I used this diagram to illustrate a point. The dogs path to the bird did not change, yet the ranking of the mark did/will change for a lot if judges - even very experienced judges. This is wrong. The...
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    23268 Now, which dog gets 2nd & 3rd? And...

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    Now, which dog gets 2nd & 3rd?

    And for the record, my judges sheets are flat pieces of paper. Lines are not colored because only one dog on each page.
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    See the "?" In my post. I'm asking a question,...

    See the "?" In my post. I'm asking a question, not twisting your words. But you did say that green would get the blue, so I thought you had decided green was best. That's why I asked. I'm curious as...
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    So you rank green 1st? Let's say that wasn't...

    So you rank green 1st?

    Let's say that wasn't your dog and you are concerned about 2nd & 3rd. Which dog had your 2nd best mark?
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    One popular way to deal with this is to go back...

    One popular way to deal with this is to go back to the yard. If the dog understands the whistle sit while doing heeling exercises on lead, go to FTP.

    Set up and teach the pile at 35-40 yards....
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    Useful or useless exercise... Three lines...

    Useful or useless exercise...

    Three lines depicting 3 different dogs. X marks the bird. All dogs went to the bird without cracking a tail, putting a nose in the air or to the ground or showing any...
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