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    Thanks for sharing your knowledge Dennis. I look...

    Thanks for sharing your knowledge Dennis. I look forward to getting a copy.
  2. how long was he successful at T before this...

    how long was he successful at T before this happened? what's his response to back, sit and come with pressure applied? how is he handling indirect pressure?
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    Hillman puppy followed by Lardy or Graham. Choose...

    Hillman puppy followed by Lardy or Graham. Choose based on the style of materials you like best. They are essentially the same program (adaptations of Carr).
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    Verified... 27 year old "certified" cookie...

    Verified... 27 year old "certified" cookie pusher... yup...
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    I find it best not to get into discussions with...

    I find it best not to get into discussions with these types of people/ I can pretty much predict what they are going to say from having read all the same rhetorical, slanted research they have.

    I...
  6. weight loss/maintainence food is only about 10%...

    weight loss/maintainence food is only about 10% less caloric than normal formula. You might want to consider cooking him some veggies
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    You're obviously too slow Wayne :P

    You're obviously too slow Wayne :P
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    Thanks for the information Mark

    Thanks for the information Mark
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    Dropping a dog for a "double handle" on marks is...

    Dropping a dog for a "double handle" on marks is an arbitrary rule put in place historically by judges, it is not a hard/fast rule. Not going when sent on a bind is a straight up rule. The dog gets...
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    Mark is that the one or two man version you...

    Mark is that the one or two man version you bought?
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    The problem lies in a society where everything is...

    The problem lies in a society where everything is pretty much instantly available... information... food... everything...

    Training a trial dog takes more blood, sweat and tears than most people...
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    Shooters on driven shoots are just that......

    Shooters on driven shoots are just that... shooters. The required skill is shooting, not hunting and the satisfaction comes from shooting well, not "Earning" birds. It's a different thing that most...
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    There is no real answer to that question other...

    There is no real answer to that question other than "when he's ready". Some pups do great with the e-collar early (like 4 months), others not so well. Hillman's DVD's intro it very early and very...
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    I don't know exactly what Pete thinks but I would...

    I don't know exactly what Pete thinks but I would guess, and it would be my opinion that in some cases, however rare they may be... no amount of training can truly extinct a behavior that is genetic...
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    I have one that comps and rolls when she is...

    I have one that comps and rolls when she is nervous. Managing pressure and making sure things are crystal clear fixes it. Inadequate FF? I don't think so really.
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    Tulip, I look at things differently than most but...

    Tulip, I look at things differently than most but I agree with Tim C. in that FF is really nothing more than teaching the dog to be obedient about fetching and ultimately going when sent. Where I...
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    And that's all it is...

    And that's all it is...
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    What's the dog's reward for returning that bumper...

    What's the dog's reward for returning that bumper to you? I don't recall Bill's program that well but obviously the dog finds playing keep away, chewing etc. more rewarding than giving you the bumper...
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    I'm sure you're right about how pointers are...

    I'm sure you're right about how pointers are trained Jim. I don't know. All I was saying was... it's possible to teach a dog that when he finds a particular odor he should exhibit a particular...
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    Sometimes patterns are good and sometimes they are bad. No need to be beating up an enthusiastic young dog who just wants to get in position to get sent again. I would be afraid he might start...
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    do this consistently for a couple of months and then start mixing it up with side returns again... he will learn to hesitate
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    Absolutely get the distinction Sharon.

    Absolutely get the distinction Sharon.
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    also considering no one asked how to teach a...

    also considering no one asked how to teach a pointing dog to point, they asked how to encourage a retriever LOL Mastiffs and Dachshunds I tell ya... they are both dogs but they aren't exactly alike.
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    Hey Jim I just didn't want to repeat your whole...

    Hey Jim I just didn't want to repeat your whole post. I don't know what "country broke" is but I think you may have described it.

    I think you may very well be right in that unrestricted...
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    If you're going to expect a reliable send from...

    If you're going to expect a reliable send from your dog on a blind, or even a mark, regardless of the circumstances of your hunts/distances, you need to reinforce the back command to the point it is...
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