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    Why don't you just keep hunting in the loaded...

    Why don't you just keep hunting in the loaded fields and let the dog develop into what you want? Does that cost a lot?
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    I was going through the same thing and I think...

    I was going through the same thing and I think you need to give it some more time. I wouldn't do what I put in bold if it was my dog. i wouldn't want a dog that always needed a push.
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    Sometimes when you completely ignore the behavior...

    Sometimes when you completely ignore the behavior especially from a pup the behavior goes away. You may be reinforcing this some how and not even know it
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    Well said. I just went through ecollar only ff...

    Well said. I just went through ecollar only ff and it worked just fine.
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    What's apples and oranges about this? :confused:

    What's apples and oranges about this? :confused:
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    [QUOTE=badbullgator;500396]First off this is no...

    [QUOTE=badbullgator;500396]First off this is no big deal to me. It was an extra collar and I do not loan things that would really bother me if they got lost

    I vote to give the kid a break. If he...
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    I read about this once and based on what I read...

    I read about this once and based on what I read your asking the wrong question. How a dog is built or put together is more important then size, weight, or how you condition him. With the wrong build...
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    Maybe we should all put on our training hats and...

    Maybe we should all put on our training hats and not reinforce it anymore:)
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    If this ever happens again I would hit your dog...

    If this ever happens again I would hit your dog in the nose with the palm of your hand. It's hard to pry that jaw opened sometimes.
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    My point earlier and I think some others are...

    My point earlier and I think some others are making is this. How can your convictions be so strong with zero experience training or watching a gundog, ht dog, or ft dog?
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    I had thought poodles where the original duck dog?

    I had thought poodles where the original duck dog?
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    And correct me if I am wrong but the poster has...

    And correct me if I am wrong but the poster has zero experience training a gun dog, ht dog, or ft dog. Some things you just have to experience to understand
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    Woo Hoo! Time to shut down the thread:p

    Woo Hoo! Time to shut down the thread:p
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    How far in what? Not everyone on this board...

    How far in what? Not everyone on this board trains for the same thing. The question is too vague IMO. Hunters, Hunt Test, FT. Oh I think you got your question backwards if I remember it right from...
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    Seems simple to me. I think it's about playing...

    Seems simple to me. I think it's about playing the odds. All the training in the world can't fix some problems. Seems like it's about getting off to a good start and not wasting time and money on a...
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    I think your statement went farther then the...

    I think your statement went farther then the teachers union.
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    Nothing like getting held hostage by a pimp bean...

    Nothing like getting held hostage by a pimp bean counter. Union yes!
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    50k doesn't get you much these days. Go get your...

    50k doesn't get you much these days. Go get your money.
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    Haven't read all the post. Progressive marks and...

    Haven't read all the post. Progressive marks and a good helper helped my dog a lot.
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    I was taught to use that indirect pressure you...

    I was taught to use that indirect pressure you mentioned more for when the dog didn't focus on the pile when I said dead bird. As far as the free sends. Not everyone does that. The pro that helped me...
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    :confused::confused::confused::confused:

    :confused::confused::confused::confused:
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    No hard feeling here either. Glad you don't think...

    No hard feeling here either. Glad you don't think I'm as *** hat:) No need for anyone to apologize it was a misunderstanding.
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    The handler wasn't there?

    The handler wasn't there?
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    Fair enough. But I do need to point out I never...

    Fair enough. But I do need to point out I never did call your wife an idiot. I was just saying what the dog might think.
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    I was looking at it from a dogs view. They don't...

    I was looking at it from a dogs view. They don't think like us. I didn't mean to make you upset
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