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    Normally, 6 to 9 months. I like to see them doing...

    Normally, 6 to 9 months. I like to see them doing simple land and water marks with good drive with no pressure. Also puppy hold to be not perfect, but almost.

    Keith
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    From what I am reading, the dog has good drive on...

    From what I am reading, the dog has good drive on simple land and water with no pressure. (I don't have the luxury to go into doubles) I would think, it's time to do Hold and fetch. To make it an...
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    I have a question. You already forced the hold....

    I have a question. You already forced the hold. Why didn't you finish the job and force the fetch?

    Keith
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    I have a dog in the kennel right now. The dog has...

    I have a dog in the kennel right now. The dog has good drive, but is not as bold as others. This perceptual dog needed to be forced, just to give her the reminder that it is OK, go and do it. She is...
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    You know the dog better then anyone on here and...

    You know the dog better then anyone on here and the dog is 1 year old. If you think that the dog need more confidence and not just a lack of effort, then there's is a lot of good suggestion and on...
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    If you are not going to force, it's going to take...

    If you are not going to force, it's going to take a lot longer to get to where you want to go, but it can be done. Like Don said you well need some help. You can invest in some Bumper boys or...
  7. I do much the same thing. I have more problems...

    I do much the same thing. I have more problems with the hold then the fetch, with most dog that come into the kennel. I don't care at this age if they come right back, because I do not use the come...
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    I can't really tell where you are in your...

    I can't really tell where you are in your training by your post. Try to train in the look at his food bowl this could help. Say "sit" then put your hand up chest high and say "look". As soon as the...
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    Ho may lord I do to, I guess, I'm a lardy drop...

    Ho may lord I do to, I guess, I'm a lardy drop out.

    Keith
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    I also use a table. Even though what Cass said,...

    I also use a table. Even though what Cass said, is vary true. Much better on the back.Using the table on Hold and fetch has a few more benefits other then saving your back. 1) You have more control...
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    Working out here in the hot sun of Calle....

    Working out here in the hot sun of Calle. Sometime I ware a bandanna to keep the sun off my neck and whip the sweat off. Might be a omen.;)

    Keith
  12. Steve; The old saying is. That the only thing...

    Steve;

    The old saying is. That the only thing that two trainers can agree on, is that the third one dose not know what they are talking about.:-P

    Keep it real and have fun.

    Keith
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    Maybe, when I get to old to chase my Springer's...

    Maybe, when I get to old to chase my Springer's around. I will come over to the dark side:D and play with some retriever's.

    Keith
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    You really do not have a off button, Sorry Mitt,...

    You really do not have a off button, Sorry Mitt, for the butinsky. I think you should not answer my posts any more. I seem to be threatening your well being and I don't want to be the cause of your...
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    Even though my passion are Springer's, I train 5...

    Even though my passion are Springer's, I train 5 to 10 retriever's a year.( The quality of the retriever breeding's could be a difference) I try my best to relate my experiences with my retrievers on...
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    That's surprising, just in this last batch of...

    That's surprising, just in this last batch of pups I have been training. There is one, that the owner allowed to retrieve doves before she was ready and I had a heck of a time with her killing birds....
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    So what you are saying is. That you don't care...

    So what you are saying is. That you don't care how the dog retrieves and handles the bumpers or birds, while they are going through hold and fetch.

    I just can't rape my head around this, at this...
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    I can see this. Thanks Keith

    I can see this.

    Thanks

    Keith
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    How is it working for you and how many dogs have...

    How is it working for you and how many dogs have you done this with?

    Keith
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    Boy, your dense. I never said lock them up....

    Boy, your dense.

    I never said lock them up. Use play and a little ob, to balance. Ha, Ha, Ha, I would not reply to this post, but it seem that what ever it takes, you need the last word. LOL
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    This is exactly what I was trying to explain to...

    This is exactly what I was trying to explain to the captain. I would continue puppy training until things get better. If they drop it, just say "sit" replace it and wait. As soon as you see them...
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    Am I am not blindly following a DVD, when there...

    Am I am not blindly following a DVD, when there other way of doing thing. I will bet you that Lardy's pups, hold is 99.99% correct, coming out of puppy training.

    I know mine are and he is better...
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    I am sorry, I did not know you had a national...

    I am sorry, I did not know you had a national champion.

    Keith
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    That's vary easy to explain. HE IS TRAINING THEM....

    That's vary easy to explain. HE IS TRAINING THEM.

    Keith
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    There's is a lot of TRT trainers on this forum. (...

    There's is a lot of TRT trainers on this forum. ( lardyites )

    If I was you, I would not change just because, of what you see on here. I do not give retrieves while I am doing Hold and fetch. It...
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