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The objection is pretty simple Amy. A pro has vastly more handling experience than most amateurs and in many cases, good HANDLING wins an event vs. the dog itself or it's training.

I think the...

I see an awful lot of GOOD dogs busting through early on when there is little scent and the bird is last seen at the top of the cattails. I don't like marks where depth perception is obscured in this...

Personally, in a purely gun dog I would train somewhat differently, at least in the marking portion of the program.

The yard is the yard and obedience is obedience. They have to be able to be...

Once the dog reaches the area of the fall you can't see it to judge it.

No doubt when pressure is applied manually a layman is much more likely to ratchet it back before it causes a problem, unlike pushing a button on a 6 when it needs to be a 2.

BTW I find it much...

and had he studied the basic theories of operant conditioning... he would never have had this problem to begin with...

The tools used to introduce pressure are irrelevant in most cases. Normally...

If you want to know how and why a bark collar works please refer to BF Skinner's work on Operant Conditioning, specifically the Positive Punishment part... Then go read and try to understand Pavlov's...

Doesn't matter what you call it unless you score a come in whistle as intimidation. It's not as good as a dog who immediately returns so placement is what matters, right?

Where's the "like" button?

I would prefer not to burn the dog at all in this situation...

LOL Wayne if he saw me out in the yard tonight with two kongs teasing a dog into delivering to hand while teaching the fetch command... He probably wouldn't... The neighbors came by with their boxer...

Brian, you have to decide what's appropriate for your dog. Shoreline corrections, as mentioned by Sabirely tend to be somewhat confusing and can also create a situation where the dog is uncomfortable...

I scanned the whole thread saying... "we need Bora for this one"...

I have a Jack Russell that recycles all the poo for me... I don't really know where it goes but there's never any laying around?

This needs to be in the classic RTF archives for future use!

I'll be honest and tell you I haven't done nearly enough dogs to have that argument with someone. I don't think it makes a whole lot of sense but sometimes with a dog things don't...

Whether or...

I think most people would prefer not to correct on the edge of the water like that...

The TERMS used are the problem with FF as we know it today, not the process itself. If you'll put a choke chain or a pinch collar on a dog, whack it with a stick, or even use a flat collar and lead,...

Taping a clicker to a cattle prod wouldn't exactly be difficult

I've seen many a dog corrected from for barking in the truck from the long gun... radio in the truck to say "quiet" then make the correction... saves $100

You been training with the guy? If not you obviously have no idea what the cause is.

That cuts like 8 chapters out of the book, doesn't it? JK Evan.

There are literally thousands of examples out there that prove it does no such thing.

Dog training 101... dogs associate actions with consequences. bark = collar is a very simple one...

It can be an e-collar correction or a pinch collar correction if the client has the dog dragging a lead around as I instruct them to.

The tattle tale device is just a motion activated alarm...

The whole "cold burn" concept is very useful for extinction of certain behaviors, however RTF is no place to be advocating for it. Bark collars are a really simple, consistent and easy way to extinct...

Barking, whining, teach and re-enforce QUIET command. Digging re-enforce here command. Jumping re-enforce sit command.

Trick is to have the dog expect a consistent chain of events when it does a...