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    Unknow what kind of hips the pups will have if...

    Unknow what kind of hips the pups will have if the bitch has bad hips and the stud has good hips. Why take a chance. There are way to many good breedings out there where both the bitch and stud have...
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    The person is now thinking about the money. Can...

    The person is now thinking about the money. Can they get more money for the puppies if the hips and elbows are good. That's the difference money.......
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    That's ok, people will just go back to the old...

    That's ok, people will just go back to the old way and use #8 bird shot to get a dog to sit to the whistle and horse whips for force to pile. That was real humane. These people are jack asses and...
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    [QUOTE=RobinZClark;1245071]Let me clarify my...

    [QUOTE=RobinZClark;1245071]Let me clarify my question...when you start collar fetch, how do you explain to the dog that the correct response to the collar pressure is to fetch?

    Collar presure is...
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    I do stick fetch in my training program, but by...

    I do stick fetch in my training program, but by what a lot of people are saying maybe I don't understand everything about stick fetch.
    My understanding was after walking fetch to do stick fetch....
  6. Thread: AKC to HRC

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    The HRC judges know the difference from a dog...

    The HRC judges know the difference from a dog repositioning to a dog that is creeping. That is why there is no defined line for excessive creeping or controled breaks. The dog will be judged...
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    True very true. There will be no defined line...

    True very true.
    There will be no defined line for excessive creeping or breaking. I again will judge accordingly.
    But if you train your dog to be rock steady this won't be a concern.
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    Of course you can stand and shoot to make it safe...

    Of course you can stand and shoot to make it safe for the dog and to keep the dog out of the blast cone, but by the time third mark comes out more than likely your dog will be put out for excessive...
  9. Thread: AKC to HRC

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    Finished test. The dog creeps out past the gun...

    Finished test. The dog creeps out past the gun barrel, the handler shoots the gun and causes a unsafe condition you're out. As for a controlled break you're pretty much going to be out.(Depending on...
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    Both, dog needs to follow the gun, be use to...

    Both, dog needs to follow the gun, be use to running off a ruff stand or sport stand, dog has to be more steady in the HRC at the finished level where a creep out past the gun barrel will put you and...
  11. Thread: AKC to HRC

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    If the judge tells you your hunting from the...

    If the judge tells you your hunting from the bucket then your sitting on the bucket. The same as if the judge tells you, your hunting from a layout blind and your dog is in a mut hut. Then you hunt...
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    I've done what you're asking about. And I would...

    I've done what you're asking about. And I would never go straight into finished again. Take advanage of the HRC rules. Run 2 started tests and get 10 points then run 3 seaoned test and get another 30...
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    No I'm asking about spaniel flushing HT's

    No I'm asking about spaniel flushing HT's
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    AKC Upland Hunt Tests

    Just looking for some input.
    Has anyone ran one of these HT's with a retriever of any breed, and what did you think of the test?
    Is there any benefit to getting a master upland tittle on a...
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    I was just speaking with the available data 11...

    I was just speaking with the available data 11 years worth.
    I don't disagree with you. I know the dog world didn't just start and there are people out there that know a lot more about a quality...
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    I've read most of the responses to this tread and...

    I've read most of the responses to this tread and the new title. And it's amazing that many the of people with the most negative comments have hardly ever ran a dog in competition. Six entries!! EE...
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    The club I'm talking about has always filled up.

    The club I'm talking about has always filled up.
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    I think there's a good chance people will slide...

    I think there's a good chance people will slide over to other hunt tests or move out of HT's all together maybe going to FT's. Here's the issue a local AKC club here posted a June HT and it opened...
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    That's great Joe we could really use more trials...

    That's great Joe we could really use more trials in Ohio. Nice job to you and the Ohio Valley Retriever Club. I should have 2 dogs to run then. Allie will be just ending her derby career, and my...
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    Yep if you leave the collar on too long the dog...

    Yep if you leave the collar on too long the dog will get sores where the prongs rub their neck.
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    It just all shaddy. There's too many great labs...

    It just all shaddy. There's too many great labs that are of the correct color and standard to have to put up with these types of bad traits entering into the gene pool. And you're correct about...
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    Your right it is about honor or lack of. It...

    Your right it is about honor or lack of.
    It just sad there's a guy on another site looking to breed his silver lab and he got beatup on line over it. I don't believe he know what he was buying when...
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    Amy, These aren't purebred labs. So the people...

    Amy, These aren't purebred labs. So the people buying these dogs aren't getting a pure lab to begin with.
    Have you ever seen or trained one of these silver dogs. I have, they're a nice dog for the...
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    Breeders are already doing that.No where on the...

    Breeders are already doing that.No where on the an AKC register have I seen check here for silver. So to put it in a nut shell. The people that are breeding silvers and calling them chocolate labs...
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    I agree with pretty much every thing you state...

    I agree with pretty much every thing you state above. With the exception of your last statement. I haven't seen to many national qualifers that didn't have derby points as a puppy or hadn't won a Q...
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