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    You really can't put drive into a dog. All you...

    You really can't put drive into a dog. All you can do is develop whats already there. If the dog has no desire to chase a live bird. Then there is not much you can do.

    Keith
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    Northern Cal. Up-Land Hunt Test

    The Stockton English Springer Spaniel Training Club and Green Valley Spaniel Club , are hosting a Hunt Test on the 18th and 19th of July at Grizzly Island. All Retriever breeds are welcome. Please PM...
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    Hi Jim I happy to explain my theory on that. I...

    Hi Jim

    I happy to explain my theory on that. I have found out in my experience that more dose not always accomplish what the dog needs. The dogs focus begins to fade around four or so retrieves in...
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    This is a thread that should be bumped to the top...

    This is a thread that should be bumped to the top and read. some trainers think if you don't move the mark (AOF) it is the same concept. By moving the line and not the AOF the trainer is simplifying,...
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    Our group days are set up in a loose manor and...

    Our group days are set up in a loose manor and put under the club name. That is intentional, so that everyone dose not feel responsible to me. Even though I am the only pro. there and bring all the...
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    Our group training days are only one set-up at a...

    Our group training days are only one set-up at a time, so I can stand behind and give instruction and eval.Then give advise, on witch course of action they should take. If the dog is on my truck....
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    If the OB is good and the puppy fetch has been...

    If the OB is good and the puppy fetch has been done. It might only take 4 weeks.

    Keith
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    To me when you say, I want my dog to be FF. It...

    To me when you say, I want my dog to be FF. It would include hold and fetch, FTP, min T's , T's,water T's, wagon wheels, pivot, Pattern blinds and cold blinds to 200 yards. Basically all the force...
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    You can get plenty of help for free from the...

    You can get plenty of help for free from the group. I have found out that folks pay attention a little better and the group has less input.if I charge them a small amount. Thing go smoother.

    Keith
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    If the dog is ready for the field and you have a...

    If the dog is ready for the field and you have a specific area to look at or need a handling lesson. You are more than welcome to join the club and train. Where I will do 2 walk troughs ( 2 set-ups)...
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    only if they except the collar. No not really,...

    only if they except the collar. No not really, just kidding. Around here it just part of what I do. Train the dog and teach the handler.

    Keith
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    Wayne; Brake out training is where I just do...

    Wayne;

    Brake out training is where I just do one part of the training program. In this situation, it take a quick read and no time for bonding. It will cost you more.

    Keith
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    Do you live in an area where you can't use a...

    Do you live in an area where you can't use a collar? That would be the only good reason I could see other than ego.

    Keith
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    I Think what you mean is the HOLD AND FETCH. This...

    I Think what you mean is the HOLD AND FETCH. This includes Hold and the delivery, Fetch one mark on land, force to water and one mark on water, condition to gun. All this takes a estimated 6 weeks at...
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    I was thinking the same thing. I know it a pain,...

    I was thinking the same thing. I know it a pain, but try using dead birds and than mix's in some bumpers. At this stage of training, we need to get momentum. You have to start to thinking out of the...
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    To me, this is old school thinking for this stage...

    To me, this is old school thinking for this stage of training. Now if the dog has already gone through fetch and pressure to their back piles. I would understand.

    Keith
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    What I was really try to say was. The pressure...

    What I was really try to say was. The pressure applied in this aspect of training is not a correction, because the dog is already doing what you want. So it more like a "yes" that's what I want....
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    The last thing I really want is a refusal on the...

    The last thing I really want is a refusal on the line. I want the dog to be conditioned, that moving forward off the line is first and foremost.

    Keith
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    It's not that I can't train it and would love to....

    It's not that I can't train it and would love to. I still have to pay the bills. :-P

    Keith
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    This is a question that I get from every person,...

    This is a question that I get from every person, when I start teaching how to use the collar. I explain this way. Remember back when you where puppy training. You used treats to compel the dog to do...
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    I have not really had a problem in this area....

    I have not really had a problem in this area. It's part of my OB for the retrievers. It's the 3 added concepts ( set ups ) Down the shore Marks and blinds and poison birds. Swim by's and cheating...
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    I can see all that you have said and sounds more...

    I can see all that you have said and sounds more like what is going on. Here is the issue that I have been running into lately. I train hunting dog (5 months and they go home ) Once in a while I get...
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    It was just a thought. Maybe so. Keith

    It was just a thought. Maybe so.

    Keith
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    But, It sure is if you have not done any cheating...

    But, It sure is if you have not done any cheating drills. :-P

    Keith
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    I would think the same thing. After the first...

    I would think the same thing. After the first one. I asked the judge, I thought a down the shore mark was a master element. She said that the mark was not down the shore. ( 10 YARDS) I laughed. After...
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