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    I know exactly how you feel! The guy tried, but...

    I know exactly how you feel! The guy tried, but he allowed the discussion to be conducted on her terms. He never really got his case started.

    Evan
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    I know Glenda. I'm originally a Long Beach kid....

    I know Glenda. I'm originally a Long Beach kid. I'm amazed at how long retriever people have stayed afloat in the people's republic of California. But it doesn't sound like the AKC blather has legs...
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    I could only stand reading just so much of this....

    I could only stand reading just so much of this. I realize the AKC has some lobbying weight, but they don't make laws or ratify them. Who is it we really need to petition, or is this actually a...
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    If you were an experienced trainer whose dogs...

    If you were an experienced trainer whose dogs performed consistently at a high level, I think picking and choosing from multiple programs is fine. You're new. You have two good ones. Pick one, and...
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    You can do a lot of different things a lot of...

    You can do a lot of different things a lot of different ways. The drill I learned to teach "no hands Back" was a simple pile drill, forcing on right and left back, and eventually removing the hand...
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    https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-...

    https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/934824_10203615666606564_114660220861117597_n.jpg?oh=da477b68596be54a779fb5935f77fe05&oe=549B6613&__gda__=1420104238_4c16a0be6456a6e78a7...
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    I no longer use wagon wheel for 2-hands back, but...

    I no longer use wagon wheel for 2-hands back, but I've done it many times in the past, starting with a single bumper at a time for simplicity. As the dog caught on I added one more bumper at a time...
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    I generally agree with all that has been said....

    I generally agree with all that has been said. All the better programs start the FF process with teaching "Hold" first, and I suggest you follow that. If you don't have a program, get one, or at...
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    Equipment? Yes. Didn't bring a dog this time....

    Equipment? Yes. Didn't bring a dog this time. Worked 1:1 with each trainer/dog team. Really didn't need a dog for this group.

    If you'd like to meet some terrific dog people, I know where you can...
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    I first met Jane in 1976. Very nice lady. Evan

    I first met Jane in 1976. Very nice lady.

    Evan
  11. No. "Method" means Lardy, Graham, Farmer, etc. If...

    No. "Method" means Lardy, Graham, Farmer, etc. If you're happy, I am...at least for you.:D That may mean something different to you than to me, but that's what my comment was based on. Good luck.
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  12. I get asked all the time "How do I know when I'm...

    I get asked all the time "How do I know when I'm finished" (with FF or really any skill). My reply is when the dog performs the functions instantly, uniformly, and predictably even when highly...
  13. The first thing you need to do is decide who is...

    The first thing you need to do is decide who is in charge. Dogs deserve to be read and adjusted to as you go along. But they don't get to decide when just go play in stead of training. That's your...
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    Those procedures will vary according to what...

    Those procedures will vary according to what program you're following. Are you following a specific one?

    Evan
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    Keep studying! Shoot me an email anytime, or even...

    Keep studying! Shoot me an email anytime, or even call me if you need to. You're pretty much on track, but don't get myopic about doing any of this as if it were a formula. 816-213-9397.

    Evan
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    No it isn't. Training for competition is more...

    No it isn't. Training for competition is more extensive, but no different. Particularly Basics; they are exactly the same. Do you not want your gundog to come when he's called? So does a trial dog...
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    You got it BJ! Evan

    You got it BJ!

    Evan
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    Still no video. Evan

    Still no video.

    Evan
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    Correct. Keeps it efficient, low key, and...

    Correct. Keeps it efficient, low key, and effective.

    Evan
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    If they really know "sit" they know all that. If...

    If they really know "sit" they know all that. If they've budged they've broken sit. In other words, if they're sitting they're staying. Well likely know when video emerges.

    Evan
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    Sometimes it's just not enough of something...

    Sometimes it's just not enough of something "right".

    Evan
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    It is the mechanism that should have been...

    It is the mechanism that should have been established during de-bolting. Can you send some video of this situation? My email is rushcreekpress@aol.com

    Evan
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    Yes. Keep doing that. It's training, and training...

    Yes. Keep doing that. It's training, and training requires lots of repetition. If you're concerned about whether you're doing it right shoot some video and send it to me. I'll be glad to take a look...
  24. Thats the fact. Your puppy will be as obedient as...

    Thats the fact. Your puppy will be as obedient as you train him to be.

    Evan
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    Keep looking. Find a farm pond, or something like...

    Keep looking. Find a farm pond, or something like it, with a clean shore lint across the dam, and adapt yo that. Many a fine job has been done on swim-by on water that was far less than ideal.

    Evan
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