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I appreciate the post and discussion.

The best information for me is the distinction between punishment and negative reinforcement. My guess is that I and others confuse the two in use, and thus...

Not what hunting is to me, I too, would find that statement hard to take, "enlightened" or not.

Are there those among us who teach the FF without the e collar? Are there good books, vids on the technique?

Just wondering if there is an alternative method that succeeds.

Very informational though. You guys are experts, we rookies are learning a lot!

Thanks NDK,

This is very helpful information. Thanks for taking time to explain it so clearly.

I think with people, if you X-ray a high school kid's knee for say, sports, and then the same knee when that person is 50, there can be big wear and tear issues. Often when I go to the Ortho doc, I...

Thanks, Sean. I will keep checking.

No, "Full Registration" as you see, was central to the original question.

Thank you, Mitty. I thought it was a reasonable question and request. It seems it is relevant to a lot of people on this forum who agree.

People's ideas are always important. It doesn't have to do with me or you Angie - it is the concept we are talking about. There is no intent to make it personal. I am sure you are great at what...

Tom,

I think you make some excellent points! There are lots of good dog owners and breeders out there who can make their own breeding decisions.

By the way, I have neutured or spayed my dogs for years, as I am not usually interested in breeding dogs.

The issue for me is that having paid a good price for a dog, I want to make that decision,...

But why not allow full registration when the clearences are made, if health of the breed is the issue, as Happy says?

If health clearences are there, in time, and a full price is paid, doesn't...

I completely agree, also. I have owned horses for years and the idea that someone else could decide whether I could show or breed those horses is out of the question for me.

If I buy a dog, I...

Great dogs. I have to learn more about them. Not quite clear: who is in California now with these types of dogs?

Happy, well said. They are beautiful dogs. How are they when not hunting? Lay by the fire, or take a slow walk around the block, or, is the switch on all the time? How about shedding - pretty...

Angie has a good point. I would be interested in that answer.

Yes, this is exactly what I am talking about!! Kona looks like a good one!

Thanks much ndk. Great link. how would I look for such breeders? Post on this site?

Are there breeders out there who have English looking dogs that hunt some and are relatively quiet? He would need "full registration" too.

Thanks for helping a new to this rookie, but not new to...

Just design. Fiochis have always been a little different, for instance, the primer is slightly bigger than a regular 209 size primer.

Also, They are sometimes slighty bigger in circumference,...

Very interesting discussion. Points out how genes line up differently, the mom is important, and all are not the same.

Thanks for all the information. There are so many combinations available...

Don't be too hard on "these newbies" - they are just looking for some help, and people do have new ideas, perhaps not found in "Search".

Windy, my question too.

In our paper recently was a "Schnoodlepug, Black and Tan". One can only guess.

Lots of good Shaq pups out there.

Can anyone share some of the general phyical and mental characteristics of his offspring?