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  1. I don't hate, or find fault with the philosophies...

    I don't hate, or find fault with the philosophies of many of the Breeders that choose to use LR.

    I find fault with the very logic behind the existence of LR.

    A "system" like a registry, only...
  2. "Used by many", does not mean the same thing as...

    "Used by many", does not mean the same thing as "all".

    It could mean most, but it doesn't mean all.

    I tell you what, do a search looking for the worst possible Breeders of AKC registered dogs...
  3. LR doesn't help you explain anything. How...

    LR doesn't help you explain anything.


    How on Earth does LR help you research pedigrees?


    What?

    I agree that co-ownership is more controlling than LR.
  4. What statement are you talking about? I said...

    What statement are you talking about?

    I said that if a breeding between the siblings of an FC x FC breeding produces puppies with the exact same pedigree as the FC x FC breeding, then that means...
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    As part of a double, the first bird thrown is...

    As part of a double, the first bird thrown is considered the walk-up.

    You still can't talk to your dog, until the second bird is thrown, and the Judges release you by calling your dog's number.
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    I don't recall ever getting a shot on a walk up....

    I don't recall ever getting a shot on a walk up. Not even after the throw.

    But I'm not saying that it doesn't ever happen. I guess it depends on how the Judges interpret the rule.
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    No, a walk-up is a marking test. It can be a...

    No, a walk-up is a marking test.
    It can be a single. But more often it's just done as one of the two required double-marked retrieves.
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    Because it's in the rules!;-):p The first bird...

    Because it's in the rules!;-):p

    The first bird thrown has to also come from a concealed location, within 45 yards of the retrieving line.
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    HRC doesn't have a "Senior" level. They have a...

    HRC doesn't have a "Senior" level. They have a Seasoned level.

    In AKC Senior, you will get at least a shot from each of the gun stations.
    Unless it's a walk-up.

    If it's a walk-up, no...
  10. [QUOTE=Gerry Clinchy;1326564] What, of any of...

    What, of any of that, has to do with whether or not LR does any "good" for anybody, or any breed?

    It doesn't work, for what it's supporters proclaim it to provide!

    I'm well aware of the...
  11. The parents are siblings. The offspring, (being...

    The parents are siblings. The offspring, (being cousins) do NOT share identical pedigrees.

    Even if the second generation is the same, the first (and most influential) generation is not the same.
    ...
  12. LR is a "tool" used by many Breeders that are...

    LR is a "tool" used by many Breeders that are even more unscrupulous than the clients that they are so afraid to have.

    It doesn't do anything to hurt the puppy mills. Anything at all.

    What LR...
  13. Actually, I can take this a step farther. If...

    [/QUOTE] Actually, I can take this a step farther.

    If you sell two pups from the same litter, one on LR, to an obviously "irresponsible" owner, and one on full registration, to an owner that you...
  14. A puppy being sold on LR is being sold by a...

    A puppy being sold on LR is being sold by a Breeder that thinks awfully highly of what they are producing.

    Even though the clientele that are attracted to what they are producing, apparently...
  15. Those are the only people that it could possibly...

    Those are the only people that it could possibly make any difference with.

    You know, the ones that care.




    An FC x FC pup would sell for over $3,000. With the exact same AKC registration...
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    Since a Conformation Champion would be a short,...

    Since a Conformation Champion would be a short, fat, disgusting, slob of a Labrador, I don't think that you'll see that happen any time soon.
  17. LR does keep a responsible person from breeding...

    LR does keep a responsible person from breeding their dog.
    It does not keep an irresponsible person from breeding their dog. It doesn't even slow them down.



    AKC registration doesn't make a...
  18. Yes. That's ultimately all that LR is actually...

    Yes. That's ultimately all that LR is actually good for.




    No, they really aren't. I mean they really, really aren't.
  19. No, I'm saying that preventing the registration...

    No, I'm saying that preventing the registration of that dog's potential offspring does nothing "ethically" that is good for anybody, other than the Breeder that is using it for leverage.



    It...
  20. No, but it's a whole lot better than not being...

    No, but it's a whole lot better than not being able to provide them.
  21. Because it gives them a far better chance of...

    Because it gives them a far better chance of being placed in good homes.
  22. I don't see very many "well bred" litters being...

    I don't see very many "well bred" litters being sold on LR.

    What I do see, is litters sold on LR that are being produced from parents that were selected for color, or appearance, or other...
  23. What difference would it make, if that dog was...

    What difference would it make, if that dog was sold on a LR?

    The answer is that it wouldn't make any difference.
    LR doesn't protect you from what you keep insisting that you are using it for.
  24. No, that's what someone dumb enough to buy a pup...

    No, that's what someone dumb enough to buy a pup on a Limited Registration, hopes.

    Reality, is something different than hope.
  25. That was an opportunity that I just couldn't pass...

    That was an opportunity that I just couldn't pass up.

    And I promise that if I'm ever there, when Bus is running, I'll be rooting for the two of you.
    I'll also introduce myself by name and by...
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