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    Sticky: You've got to do the WB after one of the marks. ...

    You've got to do the WB after one of the marks.

    In view of the proximity of the old falls from 6th series and the land blind to the flier, I don't know that I would leave it for last, no matter...
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    Sticky: That's correct. The handler has the choice on...

    That's correct. The handler has the choice on the order of the marks. But look at the relation of the marks to the 6th series, and tell me which order you as a handler would select attempt to pick...
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    Sticky: I just did the same thing. Except I was thinking...

    I just did the same thing. Except I was thinking ICK instead of HAH! :D
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    Sticky: Am I seeing this right? The water blind is...

    Am I seeing this right? The water blind is almost where the holding blind for the long RG in the 6th series. And the marks are on either side of the short retired gun from the 6th series?
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    Sticky: How many where started after noon on Friday?

    How many where started after noon on Friday?
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    Jim Seriously????? My dogs are much more...

    Jim Seriously?????

    My dogs are much more excited at any test or trial than hunting. Doesn't matter if I'm carrying a real gun or not. There are always birds to retrieve when they get to the line...
  7. Certainly, we've all run poison bird blinds where...

    Certainly, we've all run poison bird blinds where the bird is relatively close to the line to the blind and more of a "diversion" for the blind than a "real mark". Then we're required to pick up the...
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    Sticky: Wondering the same thing!

    Wondering the same thing!
  9. Not for marking. The other traits are still...

    Not for marking. The other traits are still scored. ;)
  10. Frankly, I think this is is the last thing we...

    Frankly, I think this is is the last thing we need. . . . more rules limiting what judges can do. A little common sense goes a long ways.

    I've seen many dogs that excel at these tests. IMO...
  11. Tammy, I don't like you're "poison bird"...

    Tammy, I don't like you're "poison bird" definition as poison birds are typically never retrieved. I like "Interrupted marks - where a blind is run between the time a mark (or marks) is/are thrown...
  12. John from the HT rule book:

    John from the HT rule book:
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    Sticky: Who the heck knows how you do things in Texas. ;)...

    Who the heck knows how you do things in Texas. ;)

    FYI From the FT rule book Standard Procedure:



    Pretty clear that Series are separated by call-backs; and a series may contain multiple...
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    Sticky: I didn't respond to Bruce. . . . I responded to...

    I didn't respond to Bruce. . . . I responded to Mike's question. I knew what he meant. :cool:

    It is a little confusing at a national. Because they use count series different than normal. ...
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    Sticky: Yep. No matter how good they are, they're still...

    Yep. No matter how good they are, they're still just dogs.
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    Sticky: No you are correct. There were decoys in the...

    No you are correct. There were decoys in the field in the 1st & 2nd series.

    I'm guessing the description was a little off and the retired guns were really instructed to retire when the dog...
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    Sticky: There sure isn't much chatter about the National!...

    There sure isn't much chatter about the National!

    They may be breaking ice if it were at Busch this year. ;)
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    FYI - No risk does not mean zero risk. It simply...

    FYI - No risk does not mean zero risk. It simply means "no statistically significant risk" as defined by the CDC. ;-)
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    +1 Lardy said it only takes 2 trials to become...

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    Lardy said it only takes 2 trials to become "trial wise". You've broke in the last 3 water tests, you're way, way past that!

    Like has already been said. Water marks are way more...
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    I got my first lab and started training and...

    I got my first lab and started training and running HT's in the early 90's. I didn't know anything. That was before there were any training videos. I did go to a couple training seminars and...
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    I agree the 1st part is dealing with hunts and...

    I agree the 1st part is dealing with hunts and fall areas. However the 2nd part "or drops the bird he is retrieving and goes for another" it is a switch, too. It is mostly used in a bulldog or...
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    Look at paragraph 31 of the standard...

    Look at paragraph 31 of the standard procedure..."or drops a bird he is retrieving and goes for another, shall be considered to have 'switched'."
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    Yes very wrong. 1. The same as anytime you give...

    Yes very wrong. 1. The same as anytime you give an instruction on what the parameters of the blind are and don't follow through. Pick up pb you're out.

    2. the dog switched by definition....
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    Yes, You drop the dog. Using the same rule...

    Yes, You drop the dog.

    Using the same rule that allows the judge to drop the dog that retrieves any poison bird. ;)
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    The sport will continue as long as there are...

    The sport will continue as long as there are people willing and able to play. The sport has never been for "everyone".
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