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http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/image.php?u=22549&dateline=1257352495Join DateJan 2003LocationPine Grove, Louisiana, 70453Posts2,214

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I have 3 FT 1 first Chanch winger looks like a gunners up and a sure toss.
DDR releases. All of them proform the same I thank it boils down to
what you like zinger type wingers throw a high mark...

You can but you have to be careful I have 2 duck dogs and one bird dog
and a pet duck names Fred. But Fred was around them while they where pups and he had a few close calls with them it's more...

Ha ha I fig there would be a pic of a 2x4

I see everyones point. Thanks

How many of you do run by before swim by ?

Looking for a DVD on swim by

Swim by is a new concept for me.
? So there is know need to do the water T it takes the place of it.
? But you still must do water force before swim - by.

Thanks if they where for my zinger I would get them from zinger but there for
a first chance winger that is no longer on production looks like a SOG with diff release on it.

what kind of hinge are they.

What is the name of the hinges on a winger
i can't find them anywhere but the winger manufacturers

Ok I have 3 FT zingers 1 first Chanch winger Co like a zinger , and a H- frame winger.
But I would like somthing smaller in size like those PVC wingers but not made out of PVC.
I was thanking...

Thanks I used a 410 yesterday with three dogs you can brake the bank with that.
And I really don't like using live loads traning.

I ran out of 22 blanks but I have some yellow RRT loads any one use them in there pistol ? Is this ok?
I have not done it yet I'm a bit of a chicken

Looking for some regular and jumbo sized canvas bummpers

If a guy can buy more than one program the more
information and trainer education you can get the better off you will be.

Thank you so much what a good read.

I use a 9 volt battery to activate the servo
i allso use the youth release with the trigger that looks like a firearm
trigger I just drill a hole in it at the top.
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So it's a drill so you can Cast the dog back in the water in training if he runs the bank right ?

Or am I still lost.

Yes but why do you want him to run the bank on the return?

I just don't see the need to handle a dog on the return with a bird in his mouth or cast a dog on a pile that's not there .

I'm just...

To me it just looks like your teaching him to be a bank runner.
Why would you not cast him back into to the water on the Right
or left pile return ? Why would you need to handle ( cast ) a dog on...

Ok I'm new to the concept of swim by. Looks like a modified water force drill to me.
What is the purpose and what are you trying to install in the dog having them exit to the left or right and run...

yell ouch real loud, in a high pich with a no.
You have to remember what the mama dog and the other
pup do when there playing and one gets rough

Ok sounds good I've been training dogs for about 10 years and never went to a hunt test
but I thank I'm going to try to enter up in one in a few months thanks

Well I'm in north Decatur Texas. Yes i call old school picking up marks myself.
I do use e collars. All so use other dogs in steady training honor work dog honors me and other dogs.
Lots of...