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I keep reading things about "loose holds" and "Sloppy Holds"!!! So your dog is doing everyhting else good so far but he has a sloppy or loose hold!!! My questions is why do you care? Plus I bet...

Breeding isn't everything...I have some great dogs with what most people would consider a weak family tree....And even with the best breeding out there, your still not guaranteed a great dog!!!

Navybowhunter,

Don't give up on either dog, the older dog and the younger dog can be coached up, just find somebody that knows what there doing to help you train or send them to a trainer that has...

Skywatcher....I question your skills or experience training retrievers?? Anybody that gives up on a dog at 8mths, just isn't very bright or just ignorant to the subject of training dogs.

LOL :cool:

For my dog that isn't true...Diamond was the only food to give him gas and he has always been on a feed that was either 30/20 or 30/22!

But don't get me wrong, Diamond was great except for the gas...

I would take a Goose wing and wrap it around a bumper and run some fun drills and serious drills, do that for awhile and then try throwing a dead goose in water and when he's retrieving in water move...

I feed Nutri Source Performance and it's been great.

http://www.nutrisourcedogfood.com/nutrisource/products/performance

So I'm assuming somebody other then you trained your dog?? To each there own!! Some people don't have the time or just don't want to spend the time but they still want a hunting dog, that I...

It is nothing like a kid going to college, dogs don't think like a college student!!!
As far as that dog knows he has a new owner after 6-8 months...They have to re-learn you and the family and...

Yes..You worded that much better then I did...Reading your dog is the key to everything in the Retriever training World.

I understand your point, but I don't think that every dog would have that issue...I have the training attitude of if it isn't broke I won't change it ...I've had some awesome dogs bring back bumpers...

I gotcha I didn't pick up on it!! ;) I've had a lot of awesome dogs that would always bring back bumpers cigar style!!!

Explain to why everybody sees this as a issue? Is it because people that make training videos say it's wrong? The point of FF is to deliver to hand and for the dog to understand when you say...

The potential of this dog is whatever you want it to be...Do you want this dog to hunt with you? Do you want this dog to be a MH? Do you want this dog to run in field trials? You can do all these...

I used my hand with a glove at first and then a paint roller and then I moved on to things like a empty beer can and a season salt bottle...I want the the dog to pick up anything when I say "Fetch",...

If "Ole Roy" works for your dog then feed him "Ole Roy"!! Sounds like the high protein feeds are a bit hot for your dog right now. But changing feeds all the time isn't good for the dogs system.

The dog is ONLY 14 weeks old for crying out loud!!! My pup @ 14 weeks would retrieve a couple times and then he would be more interested in chasing bugs and now he is a hunting and retrieving...

I used to feed Diamond and was great except it gave my dog a lot of gas so I had to switch!

At 12 weeks I want to build up that desire to retrieve and there should be a 25ft check cord on the pup always, when that pup is retrieving I never want that pup to think it can run away or around...

I might be moving to Missoula and I might need to board my dog from time to time so I was wondering if anybody knew of any good quality kennels in Missoula.

Sorry bud I'm not like you, I don't run away from my opinion! There is no reason for anybody, even somebody you people consider to be a "legend". to make light of somebody's issue, when said...

EdA,

If you don't like the thread then don't comment. I don't think anybody specifically asked for your opinion.

I used the "knee to the chest" method....But make sure everybody are on the same page, from kid to wife or girlfriend to parents to neighbors, they all need to follow the same method because it...

I switched from the Euk to Native #3. And it's working great for my dog, I have tried 3 other feeds before I found what works best for my dog.