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#1 · (Edited)
Well it's less than 2 weeks away so I will go ahead & start up The Official CFB Thread for 2013. Lots to talk about. Wait for it. Wait for it. The Over rated State University will play in The BCS NAT CHAMP. There. I said it. It's happening. Time to move on.



"Do your job. Do your job. Be a part. You do those things, we enjoy victory @ the end. As a team."

All the nonsense about counting LSU out this year will ultimately make them The Most under rated team this year. Mett will throw for 3,600-3,800 yards, 36 TDs, & 8 picks.
 
#1,610 ·
Time to go back to that Capital One Bowl against them. The 1st drive of the game, LSU stopped Iowa on a 3 & out. Because the side judge got hit by an Iowa player, his spot was altered & it have Iowa the 1st down & changed the dynamics from the start. Don't remind me about the ending of the game.
 
#1,613 ·
I'm not sure all of the SEC guys on here are "so obnoxious" as you put it rather some are merely defending the success of the conference against a good deal of bashing by others. I will be pulling for Auburn because I do support the SEC but realize it will be a difficult task as FSU is very talented. You on the other hand can pull for the ducks, oh wait they're playing in the Alamo Bowl! Just saying! That probably sounds obnoxious!
 
#1,614 ·
I hate the Ducks. I know the Beavers suck but my wife went to Oregon State. I'm a USC Trojan fan, but I will grudgingly root for most Pac 12 teams in a bowl game, the Ducks not so much. I also hate that gimmicky offense Oregon runs, give me old school, smash mouth football.

I didn't mean to paint all SEC fans with such a broad brush, there are really only one or two that get my gall, most of you are gracious in victory or defeat.
 
#1,627 · (Edited)


OUTBACK BOWL MATCH-UP


Iowa(8-4)

Season Leaders
Passing: Rudock 195-324, 2281 yds, 18 tds
Rushing: Weisman 209 car, 938 yds, 7 tds
Receiving: Martin-Manley 39 rec, 384 yds, 4 tds

#7 in Total Defense
#17 in Rushing Defense

#80 in Total Offense

Hawkeyes Losses
Opponents record - 45-6
12-1 #23 Northern Illinois (Poinsettia Bowl)
12-1 #4 Mich. St. (Rose Bowl)
12-1 #7 Ohio St. (Orange Bowl)
9-3 #19 Wisconsin (Capitol One Bowl)

In 2013 against ranked opponents, Hawkeyes are 0-4.
Hawkeyes lost by 11 pts. avg. per game,
scoring an average 18.5 pts per game in those losses.
In losses, the Hawkeyes hold the opposing team to 7 points below their normal offensive pts per game.
Also in losses Hawkeyes allow for 29.5 pts per game by the opposing team.

Hawkeyes Wins;
Opponents Record - 38-58
Hawkeyes Avg. pts/ per game in wins - 31.75
Avg. pts allowed in wins – 13.75
2 wins over Teams with Winning records
(8-4) Nebraska - 38-17
(8-4) Minn. - 23-7
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LSU(9-3)
Season Leaders
Mettenberger 192-296, 3082 yds, 22 tds
Hill 175 car, 1185 yds, 14 tds
Landry 75 rec, 1172 yds, 10 tds

#20 in Total Defense
#43 in Rushing Defense

#26 in Total Offense


LSU Losses
Opponents record- 26-10
8-4 Georgia (Gator Bowl)
7-5 OleMiss (Music City)
11-1 Alabama (Sugar Bowl)

In 2013 against ranked Opponents,
LSU is 3-2.
In Losses to OleMiss & UGA, LSU loss by 3 points.
Against Alabama LSU loss by 21.
LSU allowed the opposing teams to score its pts. per game average
in each game.
LSU was also held to 27 pts per game, 10 points below it's average in losses.

LSU Wins;
Opponents record- 51-60
LSU avg. pts per game in wins - 40.2
Avg. pts allowed in wins – 18
3(4) wins over teams with Winning records.
(12-1) Auburn (National Championship Game)
(8-4) Texas A&M (Chick-fil-a Bowl)
(6-6) Miss St. (Liberty Bowl)
(8-6) Furman (Advanced one round in playoffs, beat by 2 Time Defending Champs NDSU)
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What does all this mean? Nothing really.... lol Just fun to look at :D
 
#1,628 ·
it means that LSU is a 7.5 to 8 point favorite in the game

and while we are at it

Alabama - 15 vs Oklahoma

FSU - 7.5 vs Auburn

Oregon - 13.5 vs Texas

OSU - 1.5/2.5 vs Clemson

USC - 6 vs Fresno State
 
#1,629 ·
I think my SOONERS are going to get crushed!!! As much as I hate to say. I kind of thought they would be a 2 TD dog.

I believe Alabama is the best team in the country. I think if they were to play every top 5 team in a 2/3 they would win each one.

GO BOOMER SOONER!!!!!
 
#1,631 · (Edited)
Back to this Ship Game Talk.

I'm sitting here. Looking at the past.

Here's what I see.

Without even getting into how many Heisman Winners and/or Candidates were embarrassed.
Jason White, Sam Bradford and Troy Smith.....ring a bell.

That 03' and 08' Sooners Team was scoring 40+ and 60+ points a GAME!
(They managed 14 points in Title Games against SEC Teams.) -LSU & Gators-

Same with Oregon Ducks and Ohio St.

All SUPER DUPER HIGH POWERED NON STOP
TEAMS NO ONE WANTED TO PLAY-(Herbstreit) :rolleyes:

yata yata yata......talk about obnoxious John? Tell me about it...

They all came to the SHIP Game escorted by the Media.....and got worked.

In the Ship games, they score less than half their season average points against SEC Defenses.

That's not cocky, that's not soap box, that's not ego trip anything.
Just the cold hard facts ma'am.

I'm not saying FSU won't or can't beat Auburn.
But Damn, what exactly does FSU bring to the table that NONE of these other teams have?

Auburn had a pretty bad defense against Oregon in 10'.
Yet held the Super Duper Fastest Scoring College Football Team in NCAA HISTORY
to a mere 19 points....

Auburn seems to bring a DYNAMIC piece to the puzzle. In 2010 it was Cam. In 2013 it's this Brutal Rushing Game with a QB that can run and throw. VERY MUCH SO like that 2005 Texas/Vince Young Team.

What makes FSU different. They play in the ACC?

Ohio St, Sooners, and Oregon all come from bigger and tougher Conferences right?
Yet all faced the same fate.

...so again...what makes FSU different?

and if FSU does win? Do we throw out 7 in a row? or the 9 of 15 BCS Titles the SEC owns?

It's just silly. I'm so sick of hearing, "Is the SEC on the way down?" 'Will this be the year"?

I guess if Auburn does lose, THAT monkey will be off our backs.

But so many folks rooting against Auburn for the mere fact
that they'd HATE to see yet another SEC team bring home the Crystal.

That's what sucks for me. Haters, just b/c.

I think that's what Saban meant in that quote RookieTrainer shared.

"High achievers don't like mediocre people and mediocre people don't like high achievers."
That's not saying that's how he thinks.
He's just attempting to explain the hate and displeasure towards the conference.
 
#1,632 ·
Back to this Ship Game Talk.

I'm sitting here. Looking at the past.

Here's what I see.

Without even getting into how many Heisman Winners and/or Candidates were embarrassed.
Jason White, Sam Bradford and Troy Smith.....ring a bell.

That 03' and 08' Sooners Team was scoring 40+ and 60+ points a GAME!
(They managed 14 points in Title Games against SEC Teams.) -LSU & Gators-

Same with Oregon Ducks and Ohio St.

All SUPER DUPER HIGH POWERED NON STOP
TEAMS NO ONE WANTED TO PLAY-(Herbstreit) :rolleyes:

yata yata yata......talk about obnoxious John? Tell me about it...

They all came to the SHIP Game escorted by the Media.....and got worked.

In the Ship games, they score less than half their season average points against SEC Defenses.

That's not cocky, that's not soap box, that's not ego trip anything.
Just the cold hard facts ma'am.

I'm not saying FSU won't or can't beat Auburn.
But Damn, what exactly does FSU bring to the table that NONE of these other teams have?

Auburn had a pretty bad defense against Oregon in 10'.
Yet held the Super Duper Fastest Scoring College Football Team in NCAA HISTORY
to a mere 19 points....

Auburn seems to bring a DYNAMIC piece to the puzzle. In 2010 it was Cam. In 2013 it's this Brutal Rushing Game with a QB that can run and throw. VERY MUCH SO like that 2005 Texas/Vince Young Team.

What makes FSU different. They play in the ACC?

Ohio St, Sooners, and Oregon all come from bigger and tougher Conferences right?
Yet all faced the same fate.

...so again...what makes FSU different?

and if FSU does win? Do we throw out 7 in a row? or the 9 of 15 BCS Titles the SEC owns?

It's just silly. I'm so sick of hearing, "Is the SEC on the way down?" 'Will this be the year"?

I guess if Auburn does lose, THAT monkey will be off our backs.

But so many folks rooting against Auburn for the mere fact
that they'd HATE to see yet another SEC team bring home the Crystal.

That's what sucks for me. Haters, just b/c.

I think that's what Saban meant in that quote RookieTrainer shared.



That's not saying that's how he thinks.
He's just attempting to explain the hate and displeasure towards the conference.
Dustin, would you mind sharing the remaining article where the quote came from, I would be interested in hearing the rest of the remarks.
 
#1,634 ·
Jimbo Fisher basically used the model he learned from you guys at LSU and has quietly recruited the best classes the last couple of years, IMO he has built an SEC type team that plays in the ACC...If you look up old articles of 2012 recruiting it will show that Jameis Winston wasnt some no name walk on

Then came the gem of the class -- five-star Jameis Winston, the top dual-threat quarterback in the country. Out of Hueytown (Al.), Winston was a tough fight for the Seminoles. He has not signed his paperwork yet, but plans to do so later in the week or over the weekend, after getting the chance to sit down with his family. He reiterated again today that he is "all-Nole." Winston is an incredible athlete with a big arm and a flare for making plays. FSU will have to win out against the baseball draft for him, come summer.
http://www.tomahawknation.com/2012/2/1/2764806/florida-state-football-recruiting-class-2012-fsu
 
#1,641 · (Edited)
Jimbo Fisher basically used the model he learned from you guys at LSU and has quietly recruited the best classes the last couple of years, IMO he has built an SEC type team that plays in the ACC...If you look up old articles of 2012 recruiting it will show that Jameis Winston wasnt some no name walk on

http://www.tomahawknation.com/2012/2/1/2764806/florida-state-football-recruiting-class-2012-fsu
Now THAT I can believe. THAT sounds like a good reasonable logic behind what makes FSU different.

The difference is, Free Shoes U plays defense. They are fast & very athletic. The OL & DL are both damn fine units. I think they're too fast side to side to get gashed by the rushing attack of AU. Of course we will see soon enough. AU is the dog in this game for a reason.
Bro'Ham. Maybe you missed a few Auburn Games. But they don't run side to side. They pretty much run through the tackles.

I do think however that they will not DOMINATE FSU on the ground. If they do win, it will have to be balanced. No way they just line up and run, run ....run against FSU like they did against Mizzou. They'll have to throw more like they did against UGA.

Then again....they threw for less than 100 yards against Bama. But had they thrown the ball down the field a little more, they may have converted some of those 3rd downs.

Like this one. Two completed passes, both for negative yards?

2nd and 5 at ALA 37
Nick Marshall pass complete to Quan Bray for a loss of 4 yards to the Alab 41.
3rd and 9 at ALA 41
Nick Marshall pass complete to Corey Grant for a loss of 2 yards to the Alab 43.
4th and 11 at ALA 43
Steven Clark punt for 42 yards, downed at the Alab 1.


Gotta have better play calling than that in the 2nd half of the game.

Bama drove down the field (From their 1 yard line) to set up another FG.

That un-converted 3rd down was crucial.


 
#1,643 ·
One of the guys, either Herbstreit or J. Palmer picked this game as the team on upset alert...Had Wisconsin not laid an egg vs Penn State they were in line for a BCS at large berth
 
#1,647 · (Edited)
http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/showthread.php?181904-We-can-beat-Bama&

We can beat Bama
We can beat Bama, and I think we can do it without playing our best game.

I know stats don't tell the whole story. But they do tell part of a story.

There is a lot of misconception about Bama.
When I think of Bama, I think of a team you can't stop from running and a team that you can't run against.

Neither is completely true - especially the part that you can't stop them from running.

A brief look at this year's stats, which do mean something at this point in the year, says two things real quick.

First, Bama is the best D we've seen all year.
Second, surprisingly, we're the best defense they've seen too.
Statistically, we're the second best D they've seen. Va Tech being #1.

But Va Tech played no one. The best win Va Tech has this year is either N.carolina or Ga. Tech. They didn't beat a ranked team all year.
AND.... Bama played Va. Tech the first game of the year.
So, sinse then, we're the best D Bama will face all year. I honstly think Va Tech's defense isn't as good as ours is.

Offensively, they throw better than we do (no kidding right?) - well exept for Grant Bothun, who at this point has a 99.9% passer rating (Thanks OSU!!!
)
But they're not great at it. They're #60 in the county. We're #99.

And the defenses they've played are just a bit below the level of defenses we've faced.
And Auburn, who they just lost to isn't even on the first page of stats (top 50) of total defense.
Bama's offense only put 28 against Auburn, a defense that is worse than many we've faced this year. Worse than OSU and we just put up 33 against them with a rag tag beat up offense playing 3 QBs in one game with 4 different people thowing passes.

My point? We can win a defensive battle with Alabama.
And I think we can score more than most believe as long as we don't drop the ball like we did against Texas - our worst game of the year by far.

Quick list of stats...

2nd best rush defense Bama has seen - Va tech #8 and the statistical best to date
OU #27
LSU #43 (statistically the 2nd best D Bama has seen up to this point in all D categories)
Bama is the best rush D we've seen #11
Best we've seen so far is OSU at 22 followed by Baylor at 25 - both better than any team Bama has seen this year

2nd best scoring D they've seen -- Va Tech best to date
But then we're 23, Next best they've seen is LSU at 30
We've played OSU #14 baylor #19 - both better than any team Bama has seen this year (excluding Va Tech)
Bama #2 scoring D.

2nd best total D - Va Tech best to date
We're 13.
Next best they've seen is LSU at 20
Baylor was #17 - So we've played better defenses than Bama has to date.
Total D Alabama #5

Bama beat 2 ranked teams.
LSU 38-17
and Ole Miss 25-0
Lost to Auburn

Oklahoma beat 1 ranked team all year. OSU
Lost to Baylor and Texas

So, Oklahoma has the best win of both Bama by OU beating OSU (vs. Bama beating LSU)
But Bama has 1 more win against ranked teams (LSU and Ole Miss - who statistically is pretty bad and I think gets love for being in the SEC)


Offense:
Bama #18 Rush offense
OU #21

Pass:
Bama #60
OU #99

Keep in mind when looking at the offensive stats here, we've played better defenses than Bama. We run the ball as good as they do.

I can't find any passing D stats on the NCAA site tonight for some reason.​

They've never seen a powerhouse defense like the ones the Big XII has.
 
#1,649 ·
I dunno, Wade - had my attention from the 'Bama sideline until that last quote

They've never seen a powerhouse defense like the ones the Big XII has.
that Dustin so thoughtfully included.

Though I must admit, when your own D gets gashed for 300 large up the middle by the Cow College, may be best to keep your counsel about "powerhouse defenses."

MG
 
#1,656 ·
the spread is 2 TD and I believe that is accurate. Stoops, for whatever reason used to be a wonderful coach if he had a month to prepare for a team. Now I constantly see undiscipline play and Blake Bell is TERRIBLE, can't stand him. slow as a turtle and less accurate the C. Ponder. I can't believe I just said that, can it be true there is a QB less accurate? OU has some speed and some good skilled RB's and WR's on the O side but on the D side, Mike Stoops needs to leave. Venerable was better DC. It really pains me to write this but I won't look thru rose colored glasses. I love my SOONERS but this is not a good match up!!

I dunno, Wade - had my attention from the 'Bama sideline until that last quote



that Dustin so thoughtfully included.

Though I must admit, when your own D gets gashed for 300 large up the middle by the Cow College, may be best to keep your counsel about "powerhouse defenses."

MG
 
#1,651 ·
Actually the winged-T uses miss-direction to get defenders to abandon their primary responsibilities to produce running room, i.e., defenders have to stay at home - over-pursuit will get killed against the Auburn scheme. And Auburn's version requires good one-on-one tackling skills by the defense. Getting penetration can be effective but not at the expense of losing gap responsibility. UGA did a very credible job against Auburn in the 2nd half of their game. If FSU can be that good for the entire game, they can win big over Auburn. But if FSU attempts to beat the offensive linemen by penetrating around the defenders and leaving gaps, or by over-pursuit then Auburn can run it up on FSU.

Having a month to prepare is a big advantage to be effective against the Auburn winged-T versus Missouri or other SEC schools since they don't face another offense like Auburn's. LSU was fortunate to face Auburn early before they were effective in the offense. Auburn has been better each week in this offense & they have the personnel to run it effectively. Just remember that the foundation of the winged-T is to use miss-direction to gain advantage over stronger, faster defenders, so the Auburn offense can neutralize a superior FSU defense if FSU is not disciplined in their approach - something a month of seeing the winged-T in practice should provide. It should be a good game.
 
#1,660 ·
My high school lo those many years ago ran an offense they called the Notre Dame Box, but my father always said it was really just a Winged-T. AU's offense reminds me of that a great deal. I would argue that you almost need to abandon any keys or reads and simply hold your spot on the DL, regardless of what the OL does. AU is particularly good at disguising their plays by doing unorthodox things with their OL.

Combine this with very little time to adjust and you get outflanked a lot if you are trying to do too much on D.

My real concern about what is going on is really with the officials. If the stated purpose of an HUNH offense is to gas a defense full of 18-23 year old men in prime physical condition so that they start to ignore their fundamentals, get out of position, and make bad decisions, what in the world does it do to the officials? And if it cuts down on defensive adjustment time does it not also cut down on the time the officials have to do their checks for illegal formations, eligible receivers, false starts, and such? And I pity the poor umpire, who many times barely gets away from the LOS before the ball is snapped, and really has not a prayer of getting into position to call anything but the most blatant of holding penalties - assuming of course that there were holding penalties to call. There may be even more misdirection here than meets the eye.

I hope that Alabama decides to include a no-huddle package (not necessarily hurry-up) in their offense next year designed to hamper defensive substitutions. I would love to see what our OL and RBs could do against a DL that was good and gassed about midway through the 3rd quarter.
 
#1,653 ·
FSU by 44.
That would be my dream come true, SEC homer or not.

But I won't bother watching.

Granddaddy, good take on UGA stacking the Barn up in the 2d half. Think the 'Who did that for much of the game, too - or at least until the game with the Cow College was long decided. I wasn't so much astonished at their running the ball up the gut on 'Bama as by the disappearance of what was touted as one of the best linebacking corps in the country. Still baffled by it.

And to go retro one better on you than the winged-T, the Cow College option is mighty redolent, to me anyhow, of the Notre Dame box - letting the defense commit before the play unfolds. I think Rookie Trainer gave "Gilligan" (Malzahn) the perfect amount of credit.

MG
 
#1,654 ·
Chip Brown from Orangebloods is reporting Mack Brown will be resigning in the next 24-48 hrs....

Dear Santa : if you deliver Nick Saban to Austin, and bring me one of the Victoria's Secret girls from tonight's fashion show, you will make this the best Christmas ever...
 
#1,655 ·
Bon, I'm not overly concerned about St. Nick going from T'town down the Tejas chimney. But do you think, given the circumstances of what's essentially a forced retirement for Mack, that Willy Muschamp - were he still at Tejas as "head coach-in-waiting" - would get the job? Or would he be force-resigned/bought out too?

MG
 
#1,659 ·
when they hired Steve Patterson as the new AD, Muschamp possibility flew out the door (rumor has it that he offered Applewhite a spot on his staff possibly as the OC)

IMO the reason Patterson got the job is because he assured the Regents that not only could he let MB go with very little blow back BUT that he could also deliver a NAME HC to replace him....

Fast forward to present time, with USC making their choice, Petersen going to UW, and Mora Jr staying put, they eliminated three possible candidates for the job..its good that UT didnt win the Big 12 or they would have been forced to eat the big one..

UT has also painted themselves into a corner, if they dont have someone who is an obvious upgrade to MB waiting on the tarmac in a G10, then they have no choice but to keep the status quo....

I wont believe Saban till I see him behind the podium flashing the Hook Em Horns signal
 
#1,658 · (Edited)
Bob Stoops is 7-7 in Bowl Games,
1-4 in the BCS Title Game,
0-2 against the SEC in Bowl Games, (03' & 06' National Championship Games)
3-4 against the SEC in season games.

Here's his chance to shine.
/

BTW a poster on the Rant had a Topic about Brown leaving since yesterday morning. Said it'd be known today.


and uh Bell? well.....

 
#1,662 · (Edited)
if thats the case then Jimmy Sexton played both sides like a concert pianist...


did some checking around on the NFL Channel report...and that 7 million dollar extension was the one that Sexton had on his desk since it was reported last week...but apparently was never signed...Even Rich Eisen from the same NFL Channel just tweeted that the Saban to Texas story is gaining legs....

all I know is there is a TON of misinformation out there from all the parties plus from many that have no interest at all..Its quite entertaining..bordering on maniacal
 
#1,664 ·
just curious Jacob, since you are wired in to the LSU message boards, what is their take on the subject ? do they think its real ? Do they even care ? Are they laughing and saying I told you so ?
 
#1,669 ·
What a classic picture...my boy WM on one side and Jimbo on the other..were there any other notables on that staff that went on to HC jobs anywhere
 
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