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    Pam, looks like there's been quite a lot of publicity recently about Ted Cruz's citizenship.

    Over the course of just two days, the Washington Postpounded its readers with 12 "birther" stories aimed at Texas Senator Ted Cruz. Headlines included, "Can Ted Cruz Run for President?", "Canadian Born Ted Cruz Releases Birth Certificate Amid Queries if He's Eligible for Presidential Run," "Ted Cruz: I am Not a Canadian," and "No, Ted Cruz 'Birthers' are Not the Same as Obama Birthers":
    Henry, Cruz's citizenship is determined by the law at the time of his birth. IFObama had been born in Kenya, then the US law would have also determined his citizenship. Personally, I think the law in effect that might have kept Obama from being a citizen (if he had been born in Kenya) was a little bit dumb. Must have seemed so to others as well, since the law was changed.

    If either mother had renounced their US citizenship prior to the birth of their sons, then maybe that would have been cause to say that a child born after such renouncement would not be a citizen.
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    These are the natural born laws that I was able to find.



    The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

    (a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;

    (b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;

    (c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;

    (d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;

    (e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;

    (f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;

    (g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person
    (A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or

    (B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and

    (h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.

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    Because his family moved to Canada years prior to him being born, I do not believe he qualifies as a citizen. His birth certificate (which by the way was the short form on the Dallas Star website) was Canadian. It did not proclaim him as being a U.S. citizen at all. Back when he was in High School the requirements for getting an I.D. was to produce a proof of residence and not citizenship papers. That could be obtained by bringing in two pieces of junk mail. A Consular Report of Birth Abroad would be proof of U.S. Citizenship. His father was a Canadian citizen who studied in the U.S. on a green card and then became a Canadian Citizen. I am willing to bet that they did not plan on returning to the US and never applied for his citizenship or were told that they would not qualify because of the years they spent living in Canada before his birth. If not then why would he show a birth certificate proving he was a Canadian citizen rather than actual U.S. papers.
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    Gerry, all I know is that Cruz was born in a foreign country based on the birth certificate he provided. It remains to be seen if this fact makes him ineligible for the presidency based on a strict interpretation of the u.s. constitution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry V View Post
    Gerry, all I know is that Cruz was born in a foreign country based on the birth certificate he provided. It remains to be seen if this fact makes him ineligible for the presidency based on a strict interpretation of the u.s. constitution.
    Guess who now isn't for the strict interpretation of the constitution.
    It may make him ineligible to vote, or hold office. In fact, he maybe an illegal alien -perish the thought!.

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    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...look at all the FOOLS coming out of the woodwork, claiming to KNOW all about these "birther' situations. After you allowed your inept messiah to ravage this nation with his gaggle of minions hell-bent on giving all you socialistic fools every handout your little hearts desire. BUT, should there be even a tinge of something similar as what your pathetic empty-suit-in-the-WH succeeded in doing, and you come bitching and moaning about how illegal this process is. What a batch of hopeless fools you all are, and you deserve exactly what this nation is becoming.

    It just irks the hell out of me that all you mental midgets, welfarists, SFN clowns, OWS ignoramuses, all being led by the Democrat party that is only out to keep power by feeding these special interest groups everything big government can provide, so these fools will be obligated to continue to vote for their handouts and sustinence by keeping the Democrat/liberal/socialist corruption in office.

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    UB, It irks me when people who think they are mental giants that live in states that receive $4,414 per capita more from the federal government each year in payments than they pay in, preach to others about being advocates for handouts.

    Yep look at this socialism. Corporate profits at record highs, banks profits growing, unemployment down, stock market at record highs, housing industry on the rise, and worker wages stagnant while productivity has increased. Just as Lenin planned it. Socialism indeed.

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    On Monday, Mr. Cruz — the child of an American mother and a Cuban-born father who moved to Texas from Canada when he was 4 — renounced his Canadian citizenship. “Nothing against Canada,” he said. But as a United States senator, he added, “I believe I should be only an American.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/21/us..._20130822&_r=0

    few legal scholars believe his eligibility could be seriously challenged in court.
    Saw another article today indicating that Biden may challenge the "annointment" of Hillary as the D candidate for 2016. That would be an interesting primary campaign ... what would they debate?
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    Look, I want to give the guy a fair chance. If he will just produce his Consular Report of Birth Abroad, I am sure that it will clear up this whole mess. Of course if he won't then why not? What is he hiding? I think there are plenty of known cases of illegals living in this country for decades without getting caught. In fact his own father only became a citizen in 2005.
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    Biden was Obamas insurance policy from being assainated. I think Bidens support for shotgun ownership will not sit well with the base also. I got more jokes about Biden, but that ought to be on another thread.
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