"Determining and applying the criteria for when and when not to use correction is the essence of the art of dog training. I make a distinction between a mistake and a lack of effort." - Mike Lardy - Volume I "After Collar Conditioning"
"i guess the old saying 'those of us that think we know everything annoy those of you that does' " --bobbyb 9/13/06
"A Good Dog is a Good Dog"
(QUOTE=john fallon;1145087]A "river wise" dog will run the bank past the long one then enter the river and intercept it, and on the return will pick the other one up and bring them both in at the same time to save a few steps
That's my Gus
Dont you guys think that MANY times there might not be true Last bird down? ( are you ALWAYS sure what bird fell last?)
I mean if even just 2 guys are hunting together, isnt the action a volly of shots,with birds falling prett much at the same time?
When thats over, Gooser's eyes are crossed, Hat is bakards, glasses have fallen off, from the recoil of them silly 4 7/8 Magnums 8 guage shells I is shootin..
The dog (If steady...(Never)) may be locked on a bird that is down,, but, many times, at least when Ya hunt with me,, there is a crippled bird tryin to escape..
Often, you may require the dog to "No" off a particular go bird, to pick up another..
I get told all the time when I give an example like this, folks say,,, " No WONDER your dog cant run tests!"
Hunting.... Marks often are in current where the bird floats or swims off... Very seldom in a HT.
Hunting... Many times marks fall in open water with a splash,, but bird swims to heavy Catail cover, and you are left with a Hunt em up.
I think dogs HAVE to be able to "Select" whether it be primaryily ,seconadrily,, or in the perfect way, "Idealy"
I get confused over all the terms.. and when hunting , dont have the time or mental capacity to stand there and figger out which one is which..
Ok,, Out the door to throw a couple a marks fer Flinch,, just in case training group is taken notes again on my wasting time...
Miss Susan,,, Like Ted would say,,,,, read the HRC rule book,, and attend a Handler seminar Just pullin your chain.
It is far easier to spit on the work of others than it is to produce something better yourself.
Brynmoors Prairie Sage JH (Sage) Just a dang fool huntin Dawg
HRCH Calypso Seven Bales High SH (Bailey)
HR Calypso Zoomin Loosies Mad Hader (Maddi) We loved you baby. R.I.P.
FlatLanders Broken Pistol Ricochet (Flinch)
My Christian Name is Michael Baker..
I have gone by "Gooser" since I was a "gossling"
Was this entire thread really all about arguing different names for basic things, we do everyday? Ummm who cares about a name as long as the dog get the birds, whether I select order, the dog selects order, or divine interference selects the order, if the dog picks them all up good, better than others; we'll I'm sure I meant to do it that way, and maybe I'll make up some words-develop methods to add a little confusion, on the proper way to teach a dog, and exactly why I choose to have my dog amazingly pick up this bird over that. Or maybe I'll just teach my dog to mark everything, teach him to go where I send him, when I send him regardless of which order. Then I don't have to worry about verbiage, selection order names, or anything else because the dog goes where he's sent, bring back birds.
So was that; Divine influence selection process, or the Don't have a clue "pulled it out of your ..." selection process; either way it worked out real well, you should train for it
"They's Just DAWGS"
"Hunting is a skill to be learned whether you do it early or late it still needs to be learned"
"I train dogs, Not papers"
GMRH HRCH Quick MH (most importantly Duck/Upland Enthusiast)
MHR HRCH Lakota MH (most importantly Upland/Duck Enthusiast)
SHR Storm.. the Pup (Beginning Upland & Waterfowl Enthusiast)
The beauty of this forum is that someone can pose a rather simple question which is promptly answered in a brief, clear, and concise manner and there ensues a 3 day debate which provides endless entertainment value but totally clouds the issue and confuses the OP.
I've enjoyed it too.
If you're gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough.