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    I asked a similar question awhile ago about getting your dog to swing on a bucket from standing. This one is more focused on marking. I have what will be a 5 year old QAA, MNH (hopefully in 2 weeks), HRCH that is looking to go after a GRHRCH.

    Does any one have drills or approaches that are good for getting a dog to focus without noise in the field (HRCH Marking) when they are more use to AKC marking. I was thinking about doing singles for 2 maybe 3 weeks strait with a bucket, shot gun and no noise, then move to doubles / broke down. triples....ect.... Wonder if there are any good drills people have used or marking set ups that seem to be effective that I can mix in.

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    The following drill has helped us. sit on bucket with dog sitting beside you. Have helper stand behind you. Use Remington 870 pump with no poppers. Have helper throw 1st mark over your shoulder in front of dog. While bird is in air shuck shotgun forward so as to be pointing in direction of fall. As 2nd bird is thrown move & pump shotgun towards fall & so on around til last bird down. Timing the pump action with pointing bird out. The dog is trained to follow gun barrel & the pumping action will get his/her attention. Hope this helps

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    It really helps to have a dog be able to keep his rear planted, and follow the swing of the barrel. Richard's advice is really good. I have seen some of the better handlers switch from holding the gun from the left shoulder, to the right, or the other way around while the birds were launched. I don't know if they were showing off, but it really seemed to help the dog pull around.

    Also, you do not always have to sit on the bucket.

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    If the dog is watching the shotgun he aint markin the birds. The dog moves with your body on the bucket...it is NO DIFFERENT than standing up. I havent sat on a bucket in training in 3 years...my finished pass rate hasnt suffered at all. The bigger issue in going from AKC to HRC is the 3 ring circus going on at the line...duck calls, shotguns, honor dogs creeping and other handlers trying NOT to intimidate a dog with poor line manners...it can be a bit of a distraction....not to mention, the dog can hear the winger MOST of the time...

    But, if youre concerned, sit on a bucket for a couple of days and blow your duck call and throw and shoot singles...when Fido has that down throw a double...right bird, left bird...when fido has that throw a triple...middle, left, right...make sure theres PLENTY of seperation...maybe one at 9, 12, and 3...make sure one is thrown at 5 yards too as the "breaking bird" has unfortunately become very commonplace.

    Seriously, dont overthink it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuck187 View Post

    Also, you do not always have to sit on the bucket....
    You have to sit on the bucket at the grand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate_C View Post
    I have what will be a 5 year old QAA, MNH (hopefully in 2 weeks), HRCH that is looking to go after a GRHRCH.
    Your dog is QAA, HRCH, and hopefully in 2 weeks MNH?

    You now want to put a GRHRCH on your dog and you're asking for advice on HRC tests? Well sir, your dog already knows the game I'm quite sue that he figured it out by the time he got the first Finished pass.

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    Member of CAHRC and North AL HRC. I train with AND AM FRIENDS WITH: Fishduck, Laidback, Splash_Em, RF2, Drake2014, Claimsadj, Hooked on Quackers, RookieTrainer and Roseberry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate_C View Post
    I asked a similar question awhile ago about getting your dog to swing on a bucket from standing. This one is more focused on marking. I have what will be a 5 year old QAA, MNH (hopefully in 2 weeks), HRCH that is looking to go after a GRHRCH.

    Does any one have drills or approaches that are good for getting a dog to focus without noise in the field (HRCH Marking) when they are more use to AKC marking. I was thinking about doing singles for 2 maybe 3 weeks strait with a bucket, shot gun and no noise, then move to doubles / broke down. triples....ect.... Wonder if there are any good drills people have used or marking set ups that seem to be effective that I can mix in.
    Singles would be good!!!
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    He'll hear the wingers go off. No problem. The biggest problem in the grand is the dog keeping focused for 5 days.
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    Wingers in the grand are quiet Seriously have your dog move with you, use voice q's here, heel, mark, way out, easy. These are all things you are allowed to say to your dog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonnie Spann View Post
    Your dog is QAA, HRCH, and hopefully in 2 weeks MNH?

    You now want to put a GRHRCH on your dog and you're asking for advice on HRC tests? Well sir, your dog already knows the game I'm quite sue that he figured it out by the time he got the first Finished pass.

    Lonnie
    Just want to work on it some. Looking for ideas about good set ups and Drills to mix it. It is very different. My dog was HRCH at 22 months and I have run 2 or 3 HRC Finished tests since then. I have noticed that he doesn't mark as well in HRCh set ups. This is a dog that has 2 Qual wins and made it to the 2 and 3 series in amateurs so he can mark, that is not the issue. HRC marking without noise in the fields and shot guns...ect... he misses some marks (sort of, he had some bigger then expected hunts). I think it is a lack of focus in the situation. I have 6 months until the Spring Grand after the master nationals later this month. So I think 99% of it is just work it more, with the noise difference, the shot gun the bucket...ect... plus I will run 6 or so finished tests between now and then.

    Again looking for drills in set ups to help him work on HRCH specific situations.

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