Last edited by Ken Bora; 09-11-2013 at 09:02 AM. Reason: added a clever dig!!
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Aside from possible threatening gestures, some handlers seem to think it OK to push their dogs to the next mark to be thrown with a knee or they think they can just get away with it. Virtually every trial I judge I have to warn a handler not to push his dog by stepping into the dog. I understand inadvertent touching because the dog is in close proximity but I also understand intentional and the rules don't allow it.
Last edited by Granddaddy; 09-11-2013 at 07:51 PM. Reason: sp
David Didier, GA
I believe that the decision is correct. However, I think that the Rules do not specifically address this situation. Rather, tradition and convention preclude such conduct.
The word "touch" is found only once in the Rule Book on page 31.
25. No handler shall (1) carry exposed any training equipment (except whistle) or use any other equipment or threatening gestures in such a manner that they may be an aid or threat in steadying or controlling a dog; (2) hold or touch a dog to keep him steady; or (3) noisily or frequently restrain a dog on line, except in extraordinary circumstances, from the time the handler signals readiness for the birds to be thrown until the dog’s number is called.
I don't believe that this paragraph explicitly precludes touching of a dog for reasons other than to assist in keeping a dog steady. However, I believe that it is inappropriate behavior and would issue a warning as you do.
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Many years ago I was running my first retriever in a AKC test and he came back from one of the marks with a noticeable limp. After taking delivery of the bird I asked the judges if I could check his feet for a cut or thorn and they agreed. They had noticed the limp as well and I think they were glad that I was relaxed enough to allow my test to be stopped so I could inspect my dog for injuries or thorns. I had him lay down, rolled him over and checked him thoroughly. I found nothing. He had only one bird left to retrieve for the day so I brought him back to heel and he finished the test. Before anyone jumps me, I'll say that if he acted like he didn't want to go I wouldn't have sent him. He had been retired from HRC tests for years and I brought him out of retirement to run AKC tests at 9+ years of age, so it was probably just a little tendonitis or sore from taking a bad step.
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My 10 yr. old son was running a dog as junior handle and a judge yelled at him "DON'T TOUCH THE DOG!" when he patted the dog on the head as he was taking the duck. It kind of scared him a little. He continued running test and got his junior handler pin and certificate.
Without commenting on its merits or the lack thereof of the touching your dog thing, I consider this to be another Triditional Embelishment*(do a search). Of which there are way too many to count out there.
* a rule change without the benifit of a Rule Change...........
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Actually I think since the intentional touching of a dog in the situation I described aids in controlling the dog (i.e., helps the dog see the next mark) that the rule speaks directly to that situation. After all, steadying a dog is not a end unto itself. The intent (or at least one of the reasons) of steadying is to enable the dog to be more successful in doing the work.
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