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Ain't saying it's right, or wrong!...just saying....Mine do the same in competition and field!..because I train for it!....
If you don't?...then that's what you get ?...It's in the 'rules'?.....
But ,,,hey'....I do one heck of alot more hunting than I do competition!....
The dogs are just there for fun
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What about white to bye ? I understand this is some of Ted's judging subjectivity but he has said the dog left the designated spot for the honor and like Swampcollie not completed the honor, thus warrants a drop...I agree...In the HT game you can talk to the dog so there is absolutely no reason to wander off...In the Sr you could be credited with a "control break" and thus receive a final score, judges discretion...Mater , no controlled breaks ...Steve S
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CH. Snowshoe's Girl Crazy MH, UD, WCX, SDHF, OS ... PRESLEY
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Section 19. Failure to Obey. Judges shall have the
power to turn out of a test any dog which does not obey
its handler and any handler who interferes willfully with another handler or his dog.
Guidelines for the Hunting Test
Regulations for Retrievers
Chapter 3, Section 1, of the Regulations states:
“The purpose of a Hunting Test for Retrievers is to
test the merits of, and evaluate the abilities of Retrievers
in the field in order to determine their suitability and
ability as hunting companions. Hunting Tests must, therefore,
simulate as nearly as possible the conditions met in a
true hunting situation.”
You guys are nuts... maybe its just me? I have limited experience in Trials so I will stick to the Hunt Test aspect of the questions. Failure to Obey (Chaper 3 section 19) are grounds in and of itself to be dropped. Then there are the Guidlines for Retrievers and Hunting Test that states we are testing and evaluating the merits of the dog as a hunting companion.
A couple things here, first would I want to hunt with that dog. Very simply "NO" he failed the evaluation and merits of a hunting companion. 2nd he failed to obey severly. 3rd getting him under control is going to interfere with either the working dog, the handler, the judges or all of the above which again is grounds for being dropped.... then there is that don't disturb too much cover thing (I know it is talked about in the retrieving section of the rules, but should pertain to the entirty of the test)
I am in agreement with Ted 100% dog is dropped. Not only do the rules back me on it, but there is not a chance in hell I would want to hunt with that dog if he cant sit still and obey, and ultimately that is what we are testing and evaluating, isn't it?
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I'm new to the hunt test game, but if my dog wandered off I'd expect to be heading home. My issue is the other end of the spectrum, as they sit there like a coiled trip wire and my heart in my throat quietly wispiring in my most authoritative voice i can muster siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.
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1-E Honoring in gun dog, all-age, limited gun dog, and limited all-age stakes. A dog encountering its bracemate on point must honor. Failure of a dog to honor when it sees its bracemate on point must be severely penalized, and the intentional avoidance by a dog or a handler of an honoring situation must also be severely penalized. (AKC Pointer FT Rules)
I like that term. A good way to describe the OP situation. A dog laying down = avoidance? Still open to debate.
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