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    Uummmm, Luv is a citizen. She was brought here as a child and everything was legal. She has a right to say what she thinks and feels just like the rest of us. I believe my memory is corrct on this...........if not someone will no doubt correct me...............
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    Quote Originally Posted by charly_t View Post
    Uummmm, Luv is a citizen. She was brought here as a child and everything was legal. She has a right to say what she thinks and feels just like the rest of us. I believe my memory is corrct on this...........if not someone will no doubt correct me...............
    I have told many people in my life, that if you don't like it here, go somewhere else. that is the beauty of this great country, you can leave it any time you like. Most people that complain about how bad it is here and how much they hate this or that, wouldn't leave here if you paid them. that's why everybody wants to come to america, because of the freedoms and opportunities that this great country has. My late father used to say, "most people don't have anything to talk about, unless they have something to complain about." some here that complain about kids and "baby momma", I wonder if they would support involuntary sterilization of those of breeding age, that don't pass an IQ test with a certain level? Or like China had at one time, don't know if it is still in effect, each couple is only allowed 1 child, if the woman becomes pregnant with a 2nd child, the govt forces her to have an abortion. How would that go over here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shinyhead View Post
    I have told many people in my life, that if you don't like it here, go somewhere else. that is the beauty of this great country, you can leave it any time you like. Most people that complain about how bad it is here and how much they hate this or that, wouldn't leave here if you paid them. that's why everybody wants to come to america, because of the freedoms and opportunities that this great country has. My late father used to say, "most people don't have anything to talk about, unless they have something to complain about." some here that complain about kids and "baby momma", I wonder if they would support involuntary sterilization of those of breeding age, that don't pass an IQ test with a certain level? Or like China had at one time, don't know if it is still in effect, each couple is only allowed 1 child, if the woman becomes pregnant with a 2nd child, the govt forces her to have an abortion. How would that go over here?
    So you want everyone to keep quiet about our problems in this country ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by charly_t View Post
    So you want everyone to keep quiet about our problems in this country ?
    I don't want people to keep quiet about our problems. Just discuss them in a rational manner. As for someone that was brought here as a child and got citizenship legally, good for her. At the same time, she does nothing but bad mouth this country and how bad it is.

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    There are many things that need fixing in this country. Such as all of the money we give away to other countries in foreign aid, while we are borrowing money and spending it like there's no tomorrow. People say they want secure borders here. Simple, all the troops we have stationed all over the globe, bring them home and have them protect our own land and let everybody else fend for themselves.

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    Picking on Walmart: I'm no fan of Walmart. I worked for a company that sold a product to Walmart, and they squeeze their suppliers, for sure.

    Truth is though that the jobs that Walmart provides require low skill levels; and many are part-time jobs. They are the kinds of jobs that were once often filled by people as a "second job" or as a job while working one's way through college. That has commonly been the nature of entry-level retail jobs. Only a few people out of those many "worker bees" are needed to be department heads or store managers.They are not the only retailer that offers such jobs. They just happen to be a very visible one due to their size.

    If the one at the top reduced their compensation by $16 million/year, distributed among 2.2 million workers, it would work out to less than $7.27/worker/year. Though, perhaps, they would distribute it less than equally, giving more of it to those with the jobs requiring more responsibility and less to the lower-level workers. However, I cannot make a case for me (or any of us) deciding how much compensation is "too much" for someone else. That just generates class envy ... exactly what socialism nurtures to achieve its goals.

    Looking at it another way, if Walmart increased it's workers' wages by just $100/year, that would be over $100 million a year. That would undoubtedly result in an increase in their selling prices for everyone, including those Walmart workers who purchase goods at Walmart themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry Clinchy View Post
    Picking on Walmart: I'm no fan of Walmart. I worked for a company that sold a product to Walmart, and they squeeze their suppliers, for sure.

    Truth is though that the jobs that Walmart provides require low skill levels; and many are part-time jobs. They are the kinds of jobs that were once often filled by people as a "second job" or as a job while working one's way through college. That has commonly been the nature of entry-level retail jobs. Only a few people out of those many "worker bees" are needed to be department heads or store managers.They are not the only retailer that offers such jobs. They just happen to be a very visible one due to their size.

    If the one at the top reduced their compensation by $16 million/year, distributed among 2.2 million workers, it would work out to less than $7.27/worker/year. Though, perhaps, they would distribute it less than equally, giving more of it to those with the jobs requiring more responsibility and less to the lower-level workers. However, I cannot make a case for me (or any of us) deciding how much compensation is "too much" for someone else. That just generates class envy ... exactly what socialism nurtures to achieve its goals.

    Looking at it another way, if Walmart increased it's workers' wages by just $100/year, that would be over $100 million a year. That would undoubtedly result in an increase in their selling prices for everyone, including those Walmart workers who purchase goods at Walmart themselves.
    Have you ever taken a good look at who they have hired - many of those people are close to unemployable for various reasons. That they take them in & actually teach them skills which might make them employable elsewhere is a service to the country. All the union folks see is a major source of revenue & not so smart folks enable that line of reasoning.

    If they squeeze their suppliers, what's new? Sears & all the majors were famous for it. There is a name for it that escapes me right now but it goes thusly: the 1st unit is the baseline - if you are on a 70% curve the 2nd unit is built in 70% of that time - the 4th unit is built in 70% of the time the 2nd was - the 8th unit is built in 70% of the time the 4th was & on. It works . Most if not all successful manufacturers use some variation of that process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marvin S View Post
    If I'm not mistaken, you invited yourself to this party - those of us here because of being born here like it the way it is mostly.

    Not that I like this, but can only vote against those who enable it, which I do. Most folks in the situation you describe probably are unable to reason that what they are doing is wrong because:

    1) the folks making the money from it tell them it's OK.
    2) they came here & were never required to assimilate.
    3) they are the folks from the left side of the Bell Curve.

    Have you ever read the "Bell Curve"? Is what you describe any different than the corporate welfare that the government dishes to a select few?
    Actually I had no choice in the matter. I was not quite 4 when I moved here.
    Nobody jumped a border or broke any laws!
    I had my green card in hand the minute I stepped on American soil. If you have a problem with that talk to the powers that be.
    My father was not a border jumping unskilled laborer. Sorry if the US did not have enough of the right type of engineeers back in 1967 so they recruited from alleys who worked for the British dept of defense.
    NO I do not think I should pay for people who either cheat and jump the border or can't keep their legs crossed. I make zero appology for that attitude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shinyhead View Post
    As Marvin S stated. You could always go back to where you came from. Most of us were born here. I have read several of your posts and there seems to be an issue with you and children. Do you not like children? Or are you so self centered that you don't want to sacrifice any of "your" money to spend on kids?
    I have nothing against kids. I have a huge problem with my hard earned money being taken from me to pay for someone elses kids that they "spat" out. Breed it feed it. See that as you want. I was taught to be responsible for my actions. I hardly think I should be forced to pay for someone else's lack of responsibility!
    I have always said that I have zero issue with helping a widow care for her children but I have a huge issue with squat and plops or getto baby mama!
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    Quote Originally Posted by charly_t View Post
    Uummmm, Luv is a citizen. She was brought here as a child and everything was legal. She has a right to say what she thinks and feels just like the rest of us. I believe my memory is corrct on this...........if not someone will no doubt correct me...............
    Thanks Charley!
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