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    Default CA: Lead ammo ban is essentially a ban on hunting

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...n-On-Lead-Ammo

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    California Republican: Lead Ammo Ban Essentially a Ban on Hunting

    by AWR Hawkins 8 Oct 2013, 1:41 PM PDT

    California Assemblyman and gubernatorial candidate Tim Donnelly (R-33rd
    Dist.) says the proposed ban on lead ammunition awaiting Governor Jerry
    Brown's (D) signature is a de facto ban on hunting.

    Donnelly was referring to AB711, which would ban lead ammo throughout
    California under the guise of protecting the state's Condor population.

    "This is a ban on hunting that is disguised as a lead ammo ban,"
    Donnelly told Breitbart News on October 8. "It would force people to go
    non-lead bullets, but non-lead bullets are considered to be armor
    piercing, and if they can be fired through a handgun they are illegal to
    own. It is a breach of federal law to own arming piecing ammunition for
    handguns."

    "This will effectively end ammunition options for hunters, ending
    hunting in CA as well," he explained. "And this makes no sense because
    hunters help us manage the wildlife population. And through licenses and
    other fees they actually pay the state to let them do the management."

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    Geez Keith, you're expecting a politician to look something up when he's in the opposition and working hard for votes? Never happen, his mind is made up, unless he can get more votes by switching sides of course.

    I do find it objectionable to have to pay $1.50 to over $2.00 a bullet for 30 06 ammo though.
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    Theres NOTHING wrong with those Keith, if that is YOUR choice to use them.. But when Uncle Sam becomes a Nanny and Forces you to use them,, THATS whats wrong..

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    I think it was this part:

    "It would force people to go non-lead bullets, but non-lead bullets are considered to be armor
    piercing, and if they can be fired through a handgun they are illegal to
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    Quote Originally Posted by MooseGooser View Post
    Theres NOTHING wrong with those Keith, if that is YOUR choice to use them.. But when Uncle Sam becomes a Nanny and Forces you to use them,, THATS whats wrong..

    Gooser

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    Well said Gooser. We just keep losing rights. We don't need any more federal laws telling non-criminals what we can and can't do.

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    They have no knock down power and fragment inside the deer causing a lot of wasted meat. If they don't hit a bone they go right through the animal with extremely small entry/exit holes so the animal runs, little external blood loss so tracking the animal becomes a problem, resulting in higher percentage of lost animals. They are fast and reasonable bullet drop and distance, and of good tight shot groups. So if you shoot pop cans at 500 yards, they are a great bullet. If you want to knock down and recover big game, not my choice. Sorry you asked yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MooseGooser View Post
    Theres NOTHING wrong with those Keith, if that is YOUR choice to use them.. But when Uncle Sam becomes a Nanny and Forces you to use them,, THATS whats wrong..

    Gooser

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    Have shot Barnes "X"bullets for quite sometime..... MY CHOICE
    My dad insisted i load barnes x bullets for his 270. They were very accurate but like the bullets above, not a lot of knock down power. I'll stick to my Nosler Partitions because I like animals to drop in their tracks.

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    I don't agree with the law, but my experience with the Barnes TSX has been just the opposite of Paul's. I have seen more knockdown, and awesome shock with them. We "played" with a variety of bullets over the years, and the Barnes have been the best so far. Also tend to be pretty accurate as well. Excellent weight retention as well. Recovered one from a Black Bear in AK with something like 96% +original weight. But, everyone has their preferences as it should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun_Dog2002 View Post
    My dad insisted i load barnes x bullets for his 270. They were very accurate but like the bullets above, not a lot of knock down power. I'll stick to my Nosler Partitions because I like animals to drop in their tracks.

    /Paul

    Let's not fool the fools on this one. Them little bitty black tails on this side of the humps don't take much more than a good clean hit with a sling shot.

    That said I vote that we renegotiate with Mexico and see if they won't take California back.

    Failing that I say we doze it off into the ocean regards

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