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    Thanks for the responses. I now have the info to go forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yellow machine View Post
    Controlled blind is baseball, Single T, Double T. All casting training leading up to cold blinds. In our training group we use the terminology controlled blind when visuals are used (white 5 gallon buckets) to help the dog gain confidence.
    So in essence, "controlled blinds" as you reference them, are pre-identified and/or visibly marked destinations, correct? Like Howard, I don't use markers for my piles, but that's a side issue.

    When to change? There is a reason why this period is called 'Transition'. If your dog is solid on FTP, and is going, fetching, and recalling reliably during PBs it's time to transition to simple cold blinds. I doing with BB Blinds, but that's another story. Is your dog moving with you from PB to PB, and performing all basic functions? If so, it's time.

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    Thanks Gooser. That article explained alot for a new guy like myself that is just finishing up FTP and T drills.
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    Here is an example of what we call a controlled blind. Notice the visuals being used in the double T work. These are taken away after confidence is built.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlxw9GPCznI
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
    So in essence, "controlled blinds" as you reference them, are pre-identified and/or visibly marked destinations, correct? Like Howard, I don't use markers for my piles, but that's a side issue.

    When to change? There is a reason why this period is called 'Transition'. If your dog is solid on FTP, and is going, fetching, and recalling reliably during PBs it's time to transition to simple cold blinds. I doing with BB Blinds, but that's another story. Is your dog moving with you from PB to PB, and performing all basic functions? If so, it's time.

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    Just to keep communication clear, that's just a T drill, not a blind. All it shares with a pattern blind is being built on a pre-identified destination. But it's a basic handling drill. Pattern blinds are just routes with no other drill features, unless you decide to use your pattern for diversion mark training later on. Real blinds are an unknown destination; a different proposition. Sounds like you need to hang in there on your PBs for another 3-5 days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yellow machine View Post
    Here is an example of what we call a controlled blind. Notice the visuals being used in the double T work. These are taken away after confidence is built.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlxw9GPCznI
    Hey that's Mike Heard, TV Weather Man from Bozeman area. I've run against Mike for many years; does he call that drill "controlled blind" or is that just a term your training group came up with?

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    I know some will put the bumpers piled on each other as for a quick visual for the dog to spot when doing PB. I have just started this. First started with the buckets and I have to say it helped my dog. I know most do not do this but I did right or wrong. Won't be the first bad decision I have made along the way but with the help of good people here I am getting there. Thank you all for the great responses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yellow machine View Post
    I know some will put the bumpers piled on each other as for a quick visual for the dog to spot when doing PB. I have just started this. First started with the buckets and I have to say it helped my dog. I know most do not do this but I did right or wrong. Won't be the first bad decision I have made along the way but with the help of good people here I am getting there. Thank you all for the great responses.
    This makes me wonder what specific "Basics" you've done to prepare him? What steps of progression did you follow?

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    Hmm If I'm reading right, T to double-T to FTP etc. It seems your not ready for cold blinds (as in those without any marker) yet, Looks like you need to take your blind work out of the controlled T-field and start pattern & permanent blinds first, or proceed to water forcing (aka Water T), then add in Pattern, permanents, channels etc.
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