Earl, is there a DVD to help choose a training group?I haven't used white buckets or traffic cones in 35 years of teaching blind work. Used to do it until saw a few dogs run to the big white sign at public grounds on more then one occasion. The problem most newer folks have is all the loose jargon with drills, whatchma call its, and various terminology floating around the country. The basics seem mostly the same for the various DVD's out there, the problem arises when basics ends and transition (buzz word) takes over. For some of us that have trained our share of retrievers, saw the good and bad, and are able to adapt no problem. I am teaching water blinds to a two year old now. Yes we have done all the buzz words, basics, swimbys, tune-ups,walkarounds, sight included. Water blinds are the most difficult concept to grasp for young dogs and since all my training is geared for All-age training, and we do run UKC and AKC hunt tests too. For the most part I have never trained for just hunt tests, but, have run hunt tests with all-age dogs. I do admit my knowledge is limited to training from bottom up to a Master or Finished? we have never trained just for those venues. Having said that I think many folks are getting confused in the transition process. This is my opinion, on higher level training for hunt tests. I don't believe it is necessary to train at a field trial level for water blinds, land blinds, or marks of great distance with various types of land or water contours. I believe many are getting confused and should be realistic on their venue goals. Perhaps at the grand Level and the master national Level some advanced work might be in order. For the weekend hunt tester though a good solid transition training level, at a field trial level might be in order. I sold a promising young derby dog a few years back to a very prominent hunt test pro. The field trial buyer backed out after the dog spent a month at a field trial pro's place. The excuse did not make sense and I think it was a personal thing with the potential buyer. Price was cut, gave a demo with the dog to the hunt test pro, he agreed to take the dog for a month to evaluate her. He had the dog for a few days and bought her. She was about ready for a qualifying. Judged the dog, ran against the dog in hunt tests, a few years later, and it was my opinion the dog never went much above the training she received from me. She finished I think about 3 or 4 master nationals maybe more haven't checked on the exact number. Maybe with all the training DVD's at higher levels is not needed, choose your realistic venue, get in a good training group that supports you and have fun without all the hoopla of what program are you in and just train your dog.