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    To add some perspective, I think you'll find very few pros who are opposed to pattern blinds, even among those who don't run them. Kind of speaks well for them, doesn't it? Just don't lose track of knowing when it's time to move on from them.

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    At a point when our dogs have enough basic skills we begin running what are commonly called “pattern blinds”; pre-identified, or visually marked destinations that are not marked falls.\

    Evan do you pre-identify or visually mark on your pattern blinds if you do them?
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    I do run pattern blinds, and I pre-identify them with a tossed bumper into each pile the first time or two I run them, much like Paul described. I do not put visible markers at them at all. The piles are set with white bumpers, and are on open ground, so the dogs can see them as they approach. But if one of my dogs can't manage to return to a pre-identified pile without something white to run toward I've done a poor job of forcing, and will step back to finish the job.

    For the record, that has never happened.

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    I have found this thread very imformative and has given me good perspective on how to proceed. Although our terminology on pattern blinds is different training methods are the same. I came across this you-tube video that I thought seemed like a good drill for starting out on PB. Maybe this is where I went wrong with the bucket thing is this guy a kook?

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    I wouldn't say he's a kook. He's doing a nice job with a very old, pretty out dated drill. "Baseball" has evolved, much like the rest of retriever training has over the past 3-4 decades. In most modern programs we begin teaching the 3 basic casts (Back, right Over, left Over) with a drill called "3-handed casting". It's done at very close range, and on a rope. Very simple, and easy for the dogs to succeed. It advances to Mini-T. There are variations on distance, but mine is the same as 3HC - again for simplicity. It advances from there to full scale land T work with a Back pile at 100 yards.



    Single T



    3-handed casting/Mini-T

    Just so you know what I'm speaking of here. PM or email me and I'll link you to a video clip of these in action.

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    Then, of course, there is Double T. This diagram isn't proportioned as I run it, but it's close.



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    "Baseball" has evolved, much like the rest of retriever training has over the past 3-4 decades. In most modern programs we begin teaching the 3 basic casts (Back, right Over, left Over) with a drill called "3-handed casting".
    I'm old, I never evolved to calling it 3-handed casting. Same drill, different name.

    I don't use buckets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard N View Post
    I'm old, I never evolved to calling it 3-handed casting. Same drill, different name.
    kinda'.

    Baseball; distances measured in yards, no rope.
    3-handed casting/Mini-T; distances measured in feet, rope.

    Personal preferences, of course.

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    Would it make sence to go back to pattern
    Blinds to help your dog carry his line farther ?

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    You mean with a dog that has already transitioned to cold blinds? No, not really. There are better ways.

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