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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry Clinchy View Post
    These Rs voted for cloture:
    I am thinking that Thune aught to have if he plans to run for office again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry Clinchy View Post
    The latest news I've heard is that House conservatives reached out to Cruz and Lee for direction in the battle over the CR. Cruz and Lee urged them to reject Boehner's proposal to fight the defunding/delay of Obamacare until considering the debt limit legislation. They listened to Cruz & Lee, and Boehner could not get the votes to implement his proposal. Cruz and Lee also pledged to support those conservatives in this position.

    We can say a lot of negative things about Cruz (and a lot of people already have), but there are some things he needs credit for.

    First, he is willing to put his principles before the politically expediency of the moment. He's taken plenty of slings and arrows from Rs and Ds alike, and hasn't resorted to the name-calling of his detractors.

    Second, he is demonstrating leadership. He formulated a plan to achieve a goal, and conservatives seem to believe t
    Phat he does, indeed, have a plan; including contingency plans.

    Third, he really does seem to know how the machine of Congress works. He was realistic about the outcomes, and he still was willing to set himself up as a target with his 21-hour speech. People like McCain, Reid and Schumer looked pathetically small in their demeaning criticism of Cruz for standing up for his beliefs.

    I saw one commentator make the analogy: Col. Travis knew there was no good outcome to the battle at the Alamo, but his defense of his beliefs, at great sacrifice, became an integral part of making TX part of the US, rather than Mexico.

    This may be Cruz's Alamo ... but, unlike Travis, I don't think it will cost him his life (political, that is). He'll be around to provide leadership and support to conservative candidates in the 2014 elections.

    Cruz may be polite (avoiding the name-calling ploys of Reid and others) ... but he sure ain't "Mr. Nice Guy". He doesn't back down.
    Durbin got spanked as well when he tried to challenge Sen. Cruz on the type of Insurance Cruz carries. It's said that a good lawyer never asks a question he doesn't know the answer to. Guess that tells us what kind of lawyer Durbin was...

    What a doofus. Cruz impaled him with a smile on his face. Made for great theater on Cspan right at the end of the 21 hour run. The man had been standing since the previous day and still had enough wit about him to slay the half wit Durbin.
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    Mad Magazine's take on Cruz:
    MAD-Magazine-Talking-Ted.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeus3925 View Post
    Mad Magazine's take on Cruz:
    MAD-Magazine-Talking-Ted.jpg
    Come on Sarge... That's about the level of crap the establishment tried to throw at Cruz too. When you can't beat the man head to head on the issue, resort to attacking him personally.

    To Cruz's credit, he made no personal attacks (even when attacked) and calmly destroyed every argument put before him by Reid, Durbin, et al. McCain didn't even have the guts to ask a question during the 21 hours. He waited till it was over and Cruz wasn't there to eviscerate him verbally to get up there and babble on about whatever it was he was babbling about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeus3925 View Post
    mad magazine's take on cruz:
    MAD-Magazine-Talking-Ted.jpg
    really a good source!!!! Not!

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    Gerry and all clear thinking folks.....here is a broader list of Repub's who supported Dingy Harry Reid and the Dem's: Hereare the 25 Senate Republicans who voted to allow HarryReid (D-NV) and the Democrats to strip defunding Obamacare out of the HouseBill:
    Lamar Alexander (R-TN) John Cornyn (R-TX)
    Kelly Ayotte (R-NH) Lindsey Graham (R-SC)
    John Barrasso (R-WY) John Hoeven (R-ND)
    Roy Blunt (R-MO) Johnny Isakson (R-GA)
    John Boozman (R-AR) Mike Johanns (R-NE)
    Richard Burr (R-NC) Ron Johnson (R-WI)
    Saxby Chambliss (R-GA) Mark Kirk (R-IL)
    Jeff Chiesa (R-NJ) John McCain (R-AZ)
    Dan Coats (R-IN) Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
    Tom Coburn (R-OK) Lisa Murkowksi (R-AK)
    Thad Cochran (R-MS) John Thune (R-SD)
    Susan Collins (R-ME) Roger Wicker (R-MS)
    Bob Corker (R-TN)

    LEADING THE SURRENDER

    There were a lot of people who worked against Conservative Republicans in this fight,but nobody worked harder to split Republicans on this bill in the Senate than MitchMcConnell (R-KY), the Republican Leader. Of course, Lindsey Graham, McCain,Blunt, Collins, and Corker and all continue to demonstrate that they are RINO’shiding in the grass! In 2012 we have toget more Conservatives in the Senate!


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    Yes, McConnell should be fired. There was probably no way to get the 51 votes needed to avoid stripping the defunding of O-care ... Corker, McCain, Graham had already defected, but when McConnell divided the conservatives even further, he made it worse.

    Here is an interesting analysis of what Cruz's tactics should mean. It expresses the thought I've seen elsewhere, when you're in a street fight, you don't use Marquis of Queensbury rules. Also, saw one commentary that suggested it's time for conservatives to start using Alinsky tactics as well. Just substitute conservative goals for liberal ones.

    The author uses an analogy of the movie Wait Until Dark ... a blind woman, trapped alone with a murderer, and no help from anyone.
    Still, innocence is no replacement for strength. Like Susy Hendrix trapped in a basement apartment with a dead man and a killer with nobody to save her, we're right, but we're terribly disadvantaged -- almost hopelessly so. The president will veto whatever we do, we'll get blamed by the legion of biased professors and reporters, the intelligence community will start bugging our phones, the IRS will mysteriously leak our tax returns to the gay storm troopers at the Human Rights Campaign, and many of our neighbors (even family) will be brainwashed by the fabricated consensus around us to demonize our position as unpatriotic.



    Maybe it's best to surrender.



    Wait. Was it best for Susy Hendrix to surrender to Alan Arkin's cheap bad guy character? Just hand over the doll full of heroine and hope he won't set fire to the whole place with Susy in it on his way out? What would Audrey do?

    She turns what makes her weak into a strength! She's blind, and the bad guy who wants to kill her isn't. So she smashes all the light bulbs in the apartment until it's completely dark. Now the bad guy's only option to see his way around is to light a match, but he can't do it, because Susy's managed to feel her way to the gasoline bucket, and she's doused him, too. While Alan Arkin stumbles over the furniture and bumps into walls, Susy knows her way around in the dark. She manages to fish a knife out of the kitchen rack and stab the criminal in the belly.
    Wait Until Dark is only one hour and forty-seven minutes long, so it's easier to digest than von Clausewitz and Sun Tzu. The camp lesson is simple: when the other side is strong, don't fight them on their terms. Fight on the terms that you know and control better than they do. Turn your weakness into a plus.



    Conservatives will not gain anything by strategizing about how to succeed within standard congressional procedure. Pull the plug. Change the game. Take away the "power" that the other side feeds on -- in Susy's case, light; in our case, respect for conventional opinion. Be unconventional.

    Maybe we will win big in 2014. Maybe we won't. In some ways, fighting over who's going to look good or look bad in 2014 or 2016 is the equivalent of Susy Hendrix trying to fight with the lights on. Ted Cruz has drawn liberals into a rhetorical battlefield that they aren't equipped to deal with, because they've made all of their surroundings safe by co-opting or intimidating anybody who has a counter-argument. Just by wandering off the acceptable scripts, Cruz changed the game.


    But there is one thing we have to be careful of: make sure to unplug the refrigerator.
    Susy almost lost her battle with the murderer because, while she had smashed all the lightbulbs in the apartment, the murderer almost gained the final advantage because she had not unplugged the refrigerator. The open door of the fridge gave the light for the murderer to regain his advantage ... until Susy was able to manage to get to the plug and pull it.

    Are McConnell and Boehner the refrigerator? Can the plug be pulled in 2014?


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    Steve Lonegan is a conservative running to fill the Senate seat from NJ. This article says that Booker is now down to a single digit lead. That's amazing in itself.
    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...eroes_now.html
    Legally blind since childhood, Lonegan has never used his disability as a crutch. As mayor of Bogota, New Jersey, his record of conservative fiscally wise decisions speaks for itself. Lonegan is fearless, outspoken and relentless in his efforts to stop Obama's socialist/progressive agenda.
    Funding from the people of New Jersey and grassroots has Lonegan surging. His extreme liberal opponent, Booker funded by Hollywood (Oprah, Ben Affleck and more) continues to decline.

    EXCITING NEWS! Some polls have the race down to single digits.



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    "In the meantime ... if Speaker [John] Boehner [R-Ohio] wants to avoid a government shutdown, he will pass our resolution," he said. "Otherwise, it's a government shutdown."

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...#ixzz2gEtuAV5S
    Exactly where in the Constitution does it say that the House must always agree with the Senate? Where does Reid get off thinking that 54 people in the Senate speak for 300 million people, without input from the House?

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    Quote Originally Posted by swampcollielover View Post
    Gerry and all clear thinking folks.....here is a broader list of Repub's who supported Dingy Harry Reid and the Dem's: Hereare the 25 Senate Republicans who voted to allow HarryReid (D-NV) and the Democrats to strip defunding Obamacare out of the HouseBill:
    Lamar Alexander (R-TN) John Cornyn (R-TX)
    Kelly Ayotte (R-NH) Lindsey Graham (R-SC)
    John Barrasso (R-WY) John Hoeven (R-ND)
    Roy Blunt (R-MO) Johnny Isakson (R-GA)
    John Boozman (R-AR) Mike Johanns (R-NE)
    Richard Burr (R-NC) Ron Johnson (R-WI)
    Saxby Chambliss (R-GA) Mark Kirk (R-IL)
    Jeff Chiesa (R-NJ) John McCain (R-AZ)
    Dan Coats (R-IN) Mitch McConnell (R-KY)
    Tom Coburn (R-OK) Lisa Murkowksi (R-AK)
    Thad Cochran (R-MS) John Thune (R-SD)
    Susan Collins (R-ME) Roger Wicker (R-MS)
    Bob Corker (R-TN)

    LEADING THE SURRENDER

    There were a lot of people who worked against Conservative Republicans in this fight,but nobody worked harder to split Republicans on this bill in the Senate than MitchMcConnell (R-KY), the Republican Leader. Of course, Lindsey Graham, McCain,Blunt, Collins, and Corker and all continue to demonstrate that they are RINO’shiding in the grass! In 2012 we have toget more Conservatives in the Senate!
    Both of my TN RINO's... Been trying to get rid of them... But cash is king.
    Bill Davis

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