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    The latest news I've heard is that House conservatives reached out to Cruz and Lee for direction in the battle over the CR. Cruz and Lee urged them to reject Boehner's proposal to fight the defunding/delay of Obamacare until considering the debt limit legislation. They listened to Cruz & Lee, and Boehner could not get the votes to implement his proposal. Cruz and Lee also pledged to support those conservatives in this position.

    We can say a lot of negative things about Cruz (and a lot of people already have), but there are some things he needs credit for.

    First, he is willing to put his principles before the politically expediency of the moment. He's taken plenty of slings and arrows from Rs and Ds alike, and hasn't resorted to the name-calling of his detractors.

    Second, he is demonstrating leadership. He formulated a plan to achieve a goal, and conservatives seem to believe that he does, indeed, have a plan; including contingency plans.

    Third, he really does seem to know how the machine of Congress works. He was realistic about the outcomes, and he still was willing to set himself up as a target with his 21-hour speech. People like McCain, Reid and Schumer looked pathetically small in their demeaning criticism of Cruz for standing up for his beliefs.

    I saw one commentator make the analogy: Col. Travis knew there was no good outcome to the battle at the Alamo, but his defense of his beliefs, at great sacrifice, became an integral part of making TX part of the US, rather than Mexico.

    This may be Cruz's Alamo ... but, unlike Travis, I don't think it will cost him his life (political, that is). He'll be around to provide leadership and support to conservative candidates in the 2014 elections.

    Cruz may be polite (avoiding the name-calling ploys of Reid and others) ... but he sure ain't "Mr. Nice Guy". He doesn't back down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry Clinchy View Post
    We can say a lot of negative things about Cruz (and a lot of people already have),...
    I'll bite. He's a narcissistic sociopath.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    I'll bite. He's a narcissistic sociopath.
    From Wikipedia:
    Antisocial (Dissocial) Personality Disorder is a personality disorder characterized by a pervasive pattern of disregard for, or violation of, the rights of others that begins in childhood or early adolescence and continues into adulthood. There may be an impoverished moral sense or conscience and a history of crime, legal problems, impulsive and aggressive behavior.
    A) There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three or more of the following:
    1. failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;
    2. deception, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;
    3. impulsivity or failure to plan ahead;
    4. irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;
    5. reckless disregard for safety of self or others;
    6. consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations;
    7. lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another;
    I do note that Obama might fill 3 of the criteria mentioned.

    Narcissism is a term that originated with Narcissus in Greek mythology who fell in love with his own image reflected in a pool of water. Currently it is used to describe a person characterized by egotism, vanity, pride, or selfishness; an erotic gratification derived from admiration of one's own physical or mental attributes. Narcissism has included particular meanings in specific fields:
    I don't find your definition to be accurate of Cruz.

    Unless you meant a "healthy" narcicissm
    Healthy narcissism is a structural truthfulness of the self, achievement of self and object constancy, synchronization between the self and the superego and a balance between libidinal and aggressive drives (the ability to receive gratification from others and the drive for impulse expression). Healthy narcissism forms a constant, realistic self-interest and mature goals and principles and an ability to form deep object relations.[10] A feature related to healthy narcissism is the feeling of greatness. This is the antithesis of insecurity or inadequacy.
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    Buzz, were you describing Obama in your last post????????????????

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    Buzz got caught with his hands in the cookie jar......his description fits Obama to a T...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    I'll bite. He's a narcissistic sociopath.
    <br>From Wikipedia:<br>
    <strong>Antisocial (Dissocial) Personality Disorder</strong> is a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_disorder" title="Personality disorder">personality disorder</a>
    characterized by a pervasive pattern of disregard for, or violation of,
    the rights of others that begins in childhood or early adolescence and
    continues into adulthood. There may be an impoverished moral sense or
    conscience and a history of crime, legal problems, impulsive and
    aggressive behavior.
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    A) There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the
    rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three or
    more of the following:
    <ol><li>failure to conform to social <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norm_%28sociology%29" title="Norm (sociology)" class="mw-redirect">norms</a> with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;</li><li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deception" title="Deception">deception</a>, as indicated by repeatedly <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie" title="Lie">lying</a>, use of aliases, or <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_trick" title="Confidence trick">conning</a> others for personal profit or pleasure;</li><li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impulsivity" title="Impulsivity">impulsivity</a> or failure to plan ahead;</li><li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irritability" title="Irritability">irritability</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aggression" title="Aggression">aggressiveness</a>, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;</li><li>reckless disregard for safety of self or others;</li><li>consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to
    sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations;</li><li>lack of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remorse" title="Remorse">remorse</a>, as indicated by being indifferent to or <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationalization_%28making_excuses%29" title="Rationalization (making excuses)">rationalizing</a> having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another;</li></ol>
    <br>I do note that Obama might fill 3 of the criteria mentioned.<br><br>
    <b>Narcissism</b> is a term that originated with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissus_%28mythology%29" title="Narcissus (mythology)">Narcissus</a> in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_mythology" title="Greek mythology">Greek mythology</a> who fell in love with his own image reflected in a pool of water. Currently it is used to describe a person characterized by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egotism" title="Egotism">egotism</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanity" title="Vanity">vanity</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pride" title="Pride">pride</a>, or <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selfish" title="Selfish" class="mw-redirect">selfishness</a>;
    an erotic gratification derived from admiration of one's own physical
    or mental attributes. Narcissism has included particular meanings in
    specific fields:
    <br><br>I don't find your definition to be accurate of Cruz.<br><br>Unless you meant a "healthy" narcicissm<br>
    Healthy narcissism is a structural truthfulness of the self, achievement
    of self and object constancy, synchronization between the self and the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superego" title="Superego" class="mw-redirect">superego</a> and a balance between <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego_psychology" title="Ego psychology">libidinal and aggressive drives</a>
    (the ability to receive gratification from others and the drive for
    impulse expression). Healthy narcissism forms a constant, realistic
    self-interest and mature goals and principles and an ability to form
    deep <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object_relations_theory" title="Object relations theory">object relations</a>.<sup id="cite_ref-10" class="reference"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcicistic#cite_note-10"><span>[</span>10<span>]</span></a></sup> A feature related to healthy narcissism is the feeling of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greatness" title="Greatness">greatness</a>. This is the antithesis of insecurity or inadequacy.
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    Just saw reported that the amendment to strip out the defunding of O-care took all of 5 minutes ... 54-44.

    I could guess which Rs voted with Ds on it.
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    These Rs voted for cloture:
    Members of Senate GOP leadership,
    Senate Minority Leader Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY),
    Senate Minority Whip Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX),
    Senate GOP conference chairman Sen. John Thune (R-SD),
    GOP conference vice-chair Sen. Roy Blunt (R-MO), and
    GOP Policy Committee chairman Sen. John Barrasso (R-WY) all voted for cloture.
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    This was not the place where I saw the analogy to the Alamo, but Carson adds some other details that resonate:
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ist-obamacare/
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