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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Nutt View Post
    Here is one of the videos I mentioned. I haven't found the ones I'm looking for yet. Maybe it was under Hank (by Pirate). Any way look how close I am to the dog on the back casts and look how I move from one side to the other to get the correct spin. I will continue looking for the more basic ones.

    I start my dogs out on the first day of simple casting teaching the correct spin on back cast as per TRT. If you move to the correct side and are up close the dog can't help but turn the correct way. See the video of Hank as this was his first day.

    Thanks for posting these videos. I see that 1) you started out WAY easier than I did, I'll nick myself for that one, I was too far away to start 2) You are super enthusiastic and your dog responds well to that. 3) The rope is something I have but don't use much, I can see the benefit, will try that tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stringwise View Post
    I read about it on here but would have to find the post.
    I think that came from Waterdog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonnie Spann View Post
    I think that came from Waterdog.

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    Sure enough, I checked after your post as I have a copy right next to me, page 157

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    Quote Originally Posted by stringwise View Post
    Thanks for the responses everyone.

    Based on the posts above, I tried to following:


    Thanks and any additional advice is appreciated.
    Quote Originally Posted by stringwise View Post
    I read about it on here but would have to find the post.
    I was wondering...I didn't see anyone suggest you do the drill you did. What you did do reminded he of the old Retriever Fever videos...boy they sucked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stringwise View Post
    If he "creeps" to me I'll stand right next to him again and move back again slowly.
    That's a good idea.
    Doing anything other than that, (like teaching the dog there's a difference between BACK and HERE), would be none other than "rocket surgery".
    Lord knows- you wouldn't want that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duckquilizer View Post
    Where did you come up with this at? The Pro or somewhere else???
    "Put down a ladder of bumpers out to about 25 yards, 5 yards for the first bumper.
    Took him from kennel to heel and let him see the bumpers
    Commanded dead and back, he went to the first bumper and brought it right back
    Repeated until he made it to the end of the bumper ladder
    Started all over again and he completed 12 retrieves with no issues
    Tried it on a pile and his only real "challenge" was shopping the pile but this was for a split second (nose vs. mouth) and he was hurrying back to me, not stand over the pile trying things on and dropping bumpers until he found the one he liked best.

    Next I sat the pup about 5 yards in front of me with the ladder set up behind him. I commanded back and he too 3 steps to me then turned and ran to first bumper.This was much shorter than he was traveling before as he would run all the way to me originally before heading out to the pile."


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    Quote Originally Posted by steve schreiner View Post
    "Put down a ladder of bumpers out to about 25 yards, 5 yards for the first bumper.
    Took him from kennel to heel and let him see the bumpers
    Commanded dead and back, he went to the first bumper and brought it right back
    Repeated until he made it to the end of the bumper ladder
    Started all over again and he completed 12 retrieves with no issues
    Tried it on a pile and his only real "challenge" was shopping the pile but this was for a split second (nose vs. mouth) and he was hurrying back to me, not stand over the pile trying things on and dropping bumpers until he found the one he liked best.

    Next I sat the pup about 5 yards in front of me with the ladder set up behind him. I commanded back and he too 3 steps to me then turned and ran to first bumper.This was much shorter than he was traveling before as he would run all the way to me originally before heading out to the pile."


    This is all stuff we did in he 70-80's time frame....More attention on lining instead of casting...Steve S
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    This isn't all that uncommon.
    Most programs go from FF to back to pile. There are a few steps inside of steps that will most likely rectify this.
    1 go to your pile field and at the back pile have your dog sit facing you only about 4 or 5 feet from the back pile. You will be only a couple of yards in front of him.
    2 toss a bumper over one of the shoulders and say fetch instead of back. No pressure is necessary unless needed. after a few sessions, your going to hold your hand that your going to use up at your shoulder but you will not raise it,,,then command "fetch". Step very slightly forward and over slightly in the direction you want the spin when commanding this to help your dog spin the right way.
    3 After a few more sessions start slowly and gradually raisin the appropriate hand,,,using the fetch command
    4 When he is doing this well and you read that he has got it,,,then add the "back command immediately after the fetch command or vise vera and when he goes on back consistently drop the "fetch" let him enjoy the success a little before you add the pressure. It won't take long.
    I hope this is clear,,,,some dogs need things ultra simplified. So break it down,, no rope is needed to unnecessarily tangle the dog if you have been thorough in your obedience.
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    Thanks guys/gals

    I simplified and started with the rope in order to redirect if needed. He's progressed very rapidly and from what I've seen the past 3-4 sessions, I would say problem solved. I think standing right next to him is what solved it.

    The ladder drill was just to make sure he had the concept down and would help keep him from shopping the pile. Maybe it was retro and had some BeeGees to it but seemed to work!

    Really looking forward to the next step here, thanks for the help thus far.

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