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    working on ff with a 2 yr old golden male. All through obedience my sd400 was plenty hot for him, up until now. On the ff table he is as stubborn and tough as they come. Ear pinch nas zero effect. Considering toe pinch but have never done it and not sure how it would transfer over to ff on the ground. Borrowed a stubborn version of my sport dog collar but he still just twitches his neck. I can tell its gettin him just not enough apparently. any ideas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by duckhunter08 View Post
    working on ff with a 2 yr old golden male. All through obedience my sd400 was plenty hot for him, up until now. On the ff table he is as stubborn and tough as they come. Ear pinch nas zero effect. Considering toe pinch but have never done it and not sure how it would transfer over to ff on the ground. Borrowed a stubborn version of my sport dog collar but he still just twitches his neck. I can tell its gettin him just not enough apparently. any ideas?
    I'm not being flippant with you here; what effect do you want to see ear pinch have? How long have you worked on it?

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    pressure to initiate him to grab the ff block
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    U should do a search on sport dog collars. My recollection is not much good was said.
    How long have u been at ff? Toe hitch transfers to the ground quite well. I prefer ear pinch but old age and back surgery have made me favor toe hitch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by duckhunter08 View Post
    working on ff with a 2 yr old golden male. All through obedience my sd400 was plenty hot for him, up until now. On the ff table he is as stubborn and tough as they come. Ear pinch nas zero effect. Considering toe pinch but have never done it and not sure how it would transfer over to ff on the ground. Borrowed a stubborn version of my sport dog collar but he still just twitches his neck. I can tell its gettin him just not enough apparently. any ideas?
    Your bringing a lot of red flags. E Collar should be the last transition of FF. Stop...Reevaluate...and begin where you and the dog understand or maybe take a break and understand what you are doing wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by duckhunter08 View Post
    working on ff with a 2 yr old golden male. All through obedience my sd400 was plenty hot for him, up until now. On the ff table he is as stubborn and tough as they come. Ear pinch nas zero effect. Considering toe pinch but have never done it and not sure how it would transfer over to ff on the ground. Borrowed a stubborn version of my sport dog collar but he still just twitches his neck. I can tell its gettin him just not enough apparently. any ideas?
    My YLF had thesame respose to ear pinch from my pro. Siad he could have put his finger through the ear and the dog would have not reponded. Some dogs internalize the pain and will not respond. Pro used the ecollar as a last resort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yellow machine View Post
    My YLF had thesame respose to ear pinch from my pro. Siad he could have put his finger through the ear and the dog would have not reponded. Some dogs internalize the pain and will not respond. Pro used the ecollar as a last resort.
    Every dog has a threshold of pain. It's up to us to find that threshold and use that to teach. Watch the body language of the dog and if needed help the dog to achieve what you want.

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    trick the dog into fetching and grabbing the training buck or item. Then after tricked and he with grab with glee on the word add your pressure.
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