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    I'm getting a quick but sometime sloppy sit on my sit whistle which leads to problems on my cast. I can square her up with a come back and then sit but would like to clean up the initial response. Seems to get worse the further away she is. Thanks in advance

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    Look at the below and after videos of the loopy slow sit that I had with Hank (by Pirate). Read the excellant advise that I had from some really good trainers (Howard, Dennis Voigt, Breck, Gundog, etc). Then look at the results in the second video.
    http://www.retrievertraining.net/for...+Pirate%29+sit

    http://www.retrievertraining.net/for...ning+loopy+sit

    Shoot I don't know what happen to the first video. But read the comments. I will look for the video. I think I put some in a separate folder.

    Edit: I guess I must have deleted the first video when I was cleaning up my files. Anyway the comments are still very valid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tide pond View Post
    I'm getting a quick but sometime sloppy sit on my sit whistle which leads to problems on my cast. I can square her up with a come back and then sit but would like to clean up the initial response. Seems to get worse the further away she is. Thanks in advance
    Do you use an e-collar? Does the dog understand that it may get a nick from the collar if fails to sit when you toot on the whistle (or if he fails to sit quickly)? Has the dog been forced-to-pile? Then sit-to-pile? If so, then revisit sit-to-pile and when you toot for the sit, and then get a slow loopy sit, toot-nick. Eventually dog figures out that it needs to sit quickly to beat the the toot-nick. It can take awhile.......but a beautiful thing when it works!
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    Thanks, Wayne. I'll check out the comments and vids when u find them. Thanks also, Renee. She is Ccd, forced to pile, sit to pile, and does so very quickly. Problem is she somtimes is so eager to get where she thinks she should be going that she doesn't square back to me to see where I say she should be going

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    Quote Originally Posted by tide pond View Post
    Thanks, Wayne. I'll check out the comments and vids when u find them. Thanks also, Renee. She is Ccd, forced to pile, sit to pile, and does so very quickly. Problem is she somtimes is so eager to get where she thinks she should be going that she doesn't square back to me to see where I say she should be going
    Ah! I thought by sloppy you meant slow...

    Toot-toot-toot (come-in whistle), then toot-nick (sit-nick) is supposed to fix the crooked sit. I haven't had much luck with that method so I will check out Wayne's thread and follow this one...
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    Do what you're happy with. But as I give seminars all over the country the "toot-toot-toot"/come-in to straighten up" treatment is incredibly common, and incredibly ineffective. As I train with folks who do it I'm never surprised to see it because they do it all the time. They need to do it all the time because it generally only fixes the problem in the moment...this time. Tomorrow the dog will do the same thing. I'm with Mitty. We had a long discussion on crooked sit early this year, or late last year. I wrote out my treatment at that time. It's pretty long for a forum post, but if you care to email me I'll write it up for you. rushcreekpress@aol.com

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    Hmm, I thought u were talking about loopy sits. The term for your issue is crooked sit.
    However I have had good luck with the TRT process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tide pond View Post
    Thanks, Wayne. I'll check out the comments and vids when u find them. Thanks also, Renee. She is Ccd, forced to pile, sit to pile, and does so very quickly. Problem is she somtimes is so eager to get where she thinks she should be going that she doesn't square back to me to see where I say she should be going
    Your dog loves the work...Kudos for that as a trainer. When you whistle sit, let her sit there a while and do nothing. Watch what she is doing and instead of giving her a cast to go out, throw a bumper toward her (short) to you and recall. In route, blow the site whistle. Recall and blow another sit whistle. Watch...Then have her retrieve the bumper. Get her to think about you and not the retrieve (reward).
    Sounds like you have a great dog.
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    Thanks, BJ. Sounds straightforward I'll give it a try. I'll review my trt also, don't remember where it is covered but probably in the force to pile?

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    It is in Disc 5-Bonus
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