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Thread: To many No birds at a test? Judges?

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    More than one no bird is annoying to me. Recently participated in a test where not one, yes that is correct, flyer was killed outright. Guess we could have fired those guys but then again it was remarkably consistent.
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    Shot a lot of tests and trials. This summer at one test the flier was thrown directly at the sun. If you have never tried it you need to see the outcome. Another all the birds thrown directly into the wind. another the bird was thrown right at a large pine tree and you couldn't see it until it cleared the tree and at 6:30 in the evening it was virtually impossible to see it at all so the last two birds were no birds. Now I wonder why that was. Judges have to work with what they are given so its just as tough on them as it is the gunners. Arm chair quarterbacks are a dime a dozen, they sit back and never offer to help just complain when things don't go thier way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BonMallari View Post
    before you criticize a bird thrower or a gunner You gotta ask yourself

    1. if not them, then who2. are you prepared to go out there and throw


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    This is a question for the FT committee they have this responsibility ..... In addition to the guns , the throwers (plural)should not be just some kids they picked up off the street and to my way of thinking this aspect of the FTshould be given the consideration due.

    As to your second question, picking someone up out of the gallery often is no better ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul "Happy" Gilmore View Post
    The judges want a bird to land 20 yards in front of the station and the gunner is acting like he needs to throw a 40 yard flier?
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    My only question is why waste a flier on a fall that is just an average dead bird throw?

    Before trying to make a flier a controlled bird judges should ask themselves what is the purpose of a flier and how is that incorporated in a marking test.

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    1. You can't "fire" someone that you didn't hire.

    2. If you think that you can do better then march your ass over to the marshall and apply for the job (I'm pretty sure that at this point you will find out that there is no "hiring" process).

    3. A no-bird has never bothered my dog, he sees plenty of those while hunting.

    It is easy to piss and moan about lots of things at a HT or FT but remember this, if it weren't for all of the VOLUNTEERS then our sport would not exist.

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    Hmm I've gunned several times, I'm usually pretty good at it, single shots for most birds, like maybe 2 called no birds (birds were dead), in an entire masters stake; (usually when our thrower is replaced); However I have had some really hard days, where judges insist on setting up tests where; even after they've been told several times; circumstances are so bad for shooting that three good gunners couldn't get it done. Throwing Chukars into the wind (which kept speeding up) & into the setting sun, bird must land in a square, or a no bird was called. Got so bad one lady had 5 no-birds in a row, changed out gunners 3 times, eventually I believe steps were taken to ensure No-more No-birds, and they still had them because the bird would blow back into the gunners blind (it was terrible), and no one was more angry than the Gunners.

    I do believe the gun-steward is responsible for ensuring a club has the best gunners available, and they shouldn't just put anyone out there, but there is not a gunner alive who doesn't hate no-birds. I don't know of anyone who wouldn't gladly give up their spot to a better shooter. So if you are that better shooter, get off you buttocks and get out there; if your not might as well quit whining, we're not payed for this. Still if Judges want to switch gunners out after 1 no-bird, I'm completely fine with it; there are many other things; I could be doing with my Sat & Sun. I do wish them very good luck finding other shooters, on the Property; particularly those clubs that for some reason or other always hold their events during hunting season, a few even on Opener.

    That's a really fun call to answer when you're out in a duck blind; "Hey we're having problems, can you come out to shoot (I doubt it, I'm 3 hours away hunting). What about XYZ?, (Well they're sitting in the Blind beside me, but let me ask ) (Hold on a second...QUACK..BOOM)... (I'm back; XYZ say they'd love too; but I have the keys, so unfortunately they're marooned )....AHHH!!! Do you know anyone who can come out to shoot!!!?...(Umm, you are aware that it's Duck Opener Right?, in fact what the heck are you doing there )... <phone goes quite> Blah(wife) Blah(kids) Blah(gun steward)> ..(QUACK QUACK QUACK...BOOM BOOM...KOTA...(Hey dude, We got a sailor, I'm gonna have to let you go, but good luck) <chorus from the background>, GOODBYE; have fun at the HT, We miss you LOL ) click.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdA View Post
    My only question is why waste a flier on a fall that is just an average dead bird throw?

    Before trying to make a flier a controlled bird judges should ask themselves what is the purpose of a flier and how is that incorporated in a marking test.

    blind placement

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    I'm much more bothered when the judges don't call no bird when it should be called. An angled in flyer vs 23 getting well out there and angled back is an unfair test. A no bird is a no bird and should be called. I'll never fuss at the gunners, I've missed my fair share and alway end up shootig it seems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davewolfe View Post
    I don't like one. Makes for an unfair situation.
    I have never fired one, but I have add another shooter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin Allen View Post
    I'm much more bothered when the judges don't call no bird when it should be called. An angled in flyer vs 23 getting well out there and angled back is an unfair test. A no bird is a no bird and should be called. I'll never fuss at the gunners, I've missed my fair share and alway end up shootig it seems.
    As a judge unless the bird is a fly away or goes way back behind the gunners, the no-bird call is usually a no win situation. Don't call it and hope the dog comes up with it without too much of a hunt, but feel terrible when the dog hunts forever, or call it only to watch the dog run directly to where the first "bad" bird fell and hunt his heart out there. As a handler this is one of those things where I usually don't want them to call no-bird unless it's so long it effects the other marks.

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