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    I ran a variety of tests this summer. Some AKC Senior, some Master, and some HRC Finished. Some were recorded by my wife with video-cam from behind the line. Some have a lot of vocalization going on as the dog is coming to the line and preparing to run. Some comes from the judges talking to bird stations via radio and some from the judges talking to handlers in the last holding blind, and to late comers who want to view the test. While my dog was not distracted, I must confess that I was to some degree distracted.
    It is unreasonable to expect that when you are called to the line, that until you call for birds that it remains somewhat quiet? When we are hunting it is frequently highly noisey, but that is hunting, not testing.

    I expect my dog to remain quiet and steady. Why not everyone else? JD
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    Guilty as charged. I think it has something to do with the way we handle pressure, some need quiet some like noise. I don't appreciate a lot of noise from the gallery but will certainly talk to the judges my dog and myself on occasion.
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    My dogs are quiet in the holding blinds & at the line. I am training a newcomer who does whine in the holding blind. He is a work in progress. Won't run much util it improves.

    The truck is a different matter. Both the newcomer & my sons dog bark in the truck. It is loud & distracting. Bark collars are frowned upon by some. At one test a person with some authority asked that I not use them. Parked my truck beside him & let him listen to the chorus all day. I am guessing next time the response will be different.

    I am also guilty of being loud. As a teenager I suffered from 100 watt speakers & constant heavy metal music. Add to that a lifetime of gunfire, often with no hearing protection. Now I am partially deaf. My conservations are loud. Judges, Marshall's & everyone else scolds me in the gallery. There seems to be no cure. Maybe I should wear the bark collar.

    It gets worse as this deaf, nervous DAH goes to the line. The nervousness increases the volume by 10. Maybe a training day with a judges correction is in order for me. Thankfully the guys I train with have no problem pointing out my shortcomings.
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    Get a copy of Gunzup cd and run while training. Gunup cd is field trail noises. Noise will become a non issue for both of you.
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    no, it's not unreasonable. it's a matter of simple respect to give a handler and his dog an uncluttered environment within which to run their test
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    I don't want any movement behind me when handling my dog, but other than that, carry on your conversations it doesn't bother me or my dog. I try to be quiet and considerate of others but I am ALWAYS in the same flight as Fishduck and he is always talking to me.

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    some played football, some played golf.

    jd, i will be very quiet if i am ever at a trial where you are running that dog of ours!
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    I think Its our day and age.

    Its just a lack of respect to others. It shows You think YOU are the most important entity around if you Babble on while someone else is running a dog.

    Judges that do this are also inconsiderate IMHO, cause they should have a radio to be able to quietly ask for guns up, plant the blind ect..

    The Judge should just use the tool provided to him to talk,, and that is a pencil... Zip his lip, and Pay attention with his eyes...

    Consider what the topic of most of the MINDLESS BABBLE that goes on in the Gallery. Cant it just wait for time period between dogs???

    I like to talk too....But I have been reminded there may be an Honor dog waiting for the next handler, maybe a holding blind very close to the line,, I always fell bad if someone has to tell me to shut up..Its just Lack of respect on my part...

    Despite what I might think,, I am not the most important person there that day..

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    The only "Good " talk I can possibly think of,, is the communication between the working dog handler and the handler of the Honor dog.
    That comuinication is prolly respectful, and shows sportsmanship..
    It is far easier to spit on the work of others than it is to produce something better yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarrinGreene View Post
    no, it's not unreasonable. it's a matter of simple respect to give a handler and his dog an uncluttered environment within which to run their test
    Totally correct! As a judge or worker near the line, it is easy to get preoccupied with the mechanics of running the test and forget about the guy and dog in the holding blind or sitting on honor. This is understandable during a re-bird, lunch delivery time, but every measure should be made to do all that as quietly and efficiently as possible. Then when it comes time to call the working dog to the line everything should be set and quiet.

    On a related note I have noticed handlers are all different on line, some are quite talkative and relaxed, some are nervous and chatty, while others have their game face on and totally focus on their dog without saying a word. Judges should follow their lead and err on the side of quiet.

    John
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