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    This is a question for breeders. Have you had experience of any pups from normal litters developing to about half normal size and if so any idea of the genetics? Believe the gene IGF-1 is always present in small dogs but not large but can't find out much more - at least not what I can understand! The pups in question are now adult and perfectly normal apart from the size.
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    There is a fella here in Washington who has spent many years developing the "miniature lab" and sells them for the same price as his silver labs. No joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul "Happy" Gilmore View Post
    There is a fella here in Washington who has spent many years developing the "miniature lab" and sells them for the same price as his silver labs. No joke.
    But does he have miniature silvers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul "Happy" Gilmore View Post
    There is a fella here in Washington who has spent many years developing the "miniature lab" and sells them for the same price as his silver labs. No joke.
    How's his price point compared to those pointing labs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul "Happy" Gilmore View Post
    There is a fella here in Washington who has spent many years developing the "miniature lab" and sells them for the same price as his silver labs. No joke.
    This doesn't surprise me in the least

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    Boy have I got the dog for you guys! On the right is my "mini Peake", Tanzy: 50 lbs, 22", although actually she is right within the (low end) of breed standard. And, she is silver...LOL. Pic. of her with my male (who is at the upper end of the standard, 25")TanzNUsh_1549.jpg
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    Thanks but it is a serious question - the dogs are definitely not dwarfs with no deformity at all. They are from different litters with no known history in the blood lines. We are trying to figure how we can find out where it comes from. Perhaps all breeds produce this from time to time and no one knows the answer.
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    If I remember correctly Robert Milner sells "Canoe" labs that are smaller than the typical lab.

    Here is the link: http://www.duckhillkennels.com/dogs/canoelabs.php

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    Quote Originally Posted by pmw View Post
    Thanks but it is a serious question - the dogs are definitely not dwarfs with no deformity at all. They are from different litters with no known history in the blood lines. We are trying to figure how we can find out where it comes from. Perhaps all breeds produce this from time to time and no one knows the answer.
    Sorry to GDG up your serious question; but in answer to my own "mini Peake" I have no idea where her petite size came from, as I bred both her parents and know her history quite well and all were normal sized dogs. In fact she was one of the biggest in her litter of 10 as a young pup; she was the largest female. Now granted I sold her at 4 mos. and got her back at age 2 so there easily could've been some poor nutrition during her growing phase, but the truth of the matter is we'll never really know. She's a great dog (and I could get rich off the offers I've had for her from people that hunt out of small boats!) and has had one litter. For that breeding, I intentionally selected a large boned male at the upper end of the breed standard, and by 5 mos. all the pups were larger than their dam. None inherited her small stature. I suspect if someone has a retriever that is smaller than the norm (like mine), and selected for that same trait in breeding, more small (and maybe smaller) pups would be produced. Mine is not a dwarf and has no history of that in her pedigree, either. Sadly, too many people that breed dogs are in it for the money and sadly, are good at duping the public to pay more for "something different" (tiny dogs or colors that aren't acceptable). Anyway, one person's opinion. Marketing undersized dogs is no different than pimping Labradoodles or silvers/charcoal/champagne etc., people breeding for one trait regardless of the whole dog, and profiting from the freaks they create.
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